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[-] rastilin@kbin.social 336 points 1 year ago

TPM is basically never for your benefit. It's becoming a requirement because Microsoft is going to one day say "you can only run apps installed from the Windows Store, because everything else is insecure" and lock down the software market. Valve knows this which is why they're going so hard on the Steam Deck and Linux.

[-] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 175 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

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[-] socsa@lemmy.ml 115 points 1 year ago

This is why I keep my initrd tattooed as a barcode on my testicles.

[-] evatronic@lemm.ee 54 points 1 year ago

"Please teabag the web cam to boot."

[-] Wats0ns@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago

There's two types of users, those who write a detailed precise technical answer to the subject, and then there's you

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago

You know, I've been thinking about what I want my first tattoo to be for months, you've just given me a great idea

[-] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Kernel upgrades are very... Painful.

[-] Ghast@lemmy.ml 50 points 1 year ago

I don't know why I keep hearing of security measures to stop someone sleuthing into bootloaders.

Am I the only person using Linux who isn't James Bond?

[-] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

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[-] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

so you never caught a team of government officials in your living room brute forcing your bootloader at 4am as you got up to use the bathroom, huh. Lucky guy.

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[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago

TPM bad, put your secrets on a proper encryption peripheral, like a smartcard running javacardOS

TPM will turn into cpu-bound DRM, the more you use it, the more this cancer will grow

[-] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

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[-] dingus@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago

https://hothardware.com/news/steam-deck-tpm-support-install-windows-11

I mean I generally agree with you, but the SteamDeck runs on an AMD processor with a fTPM that Valve slowly added support for.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It seems unlikely Valve will ever make Windows the primary OS for their devices. And they'd lose a lot of user support if they ever required the TPM for their own software, so hopefully they wouldn't risk it.

[-] bear@slrpnk.net 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why does everybody seem to think that userspace attestation is the only use for the TPM? The primary use is for data to be encrypted at rest but decrypted at boot as long as certain flags aren't tripped. TPM is great for the security of your data if you know how to set it up.

Valve is never going to require TPM attestation to use Steam, that's just silly. Anti-cheat companies might, but my suggestion there is to just not play games that bundle malware.

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[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

I like to think that Valve knows better than to try that.

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[-] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 year ago

Support for old software is now the only reason to use windows.

[-] Bipta@kbin.social 45 points 1 year ago

I'm a big fan of Linux, but I can't believe you really think this.

[-] socsa@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

I legitimately have not booted into windows for years.

[-] bluejay@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago

Sadly, I agree. I'm at the point now where as long as I'm not trying to game I can thrive on Linux. But even then I spend way more time than necessary getting things to work that do so out of the box on Windows. We have a long way to go before legacy apps is the only reason to run it.

[-] HuntressHimbo@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

Personally I found the time I saved from not having any control over my system has more than made up for tinkering that I have to do to get things running. My laptop would regularly become unusable for 20+ minutes on windows because of disk performance issues, and I as the user had no means to prevent windows from running the service that locked everything up. That along with other times windows just decides your use case is less important have added up to far more time then having to debug a game here and there

[-] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago

Ungh, yeah I used to have that problem with my laptop when I was in college.

I only booted it up for classes unless I had a test coming up I needed to study for or something. Because why the fuck would I not do that - I had a regular computer at home for everything else.

Every couple weeks, that meant it was updating instead of being available for note taking, and usually for the entire hour I needed it. Because apparently setting the updates to run during shutdown wasn’t good enough, they needed to be run on boot, because fuck you that’s why.

Linux is just.. hey I should probably update this shit at some point… meh, tomorrow.

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[-] nan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 year ago

We use the TPM pretty extensively with no Windows in the environment.

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[-] nicman24@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

You do realize that he is talking about a RNG gen and not the TPM?

[-] nan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago

It is talking about the RNG built into the fTPM.

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[-] glibg10b@lemmy.ml 138 points 1 year ago
[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 56 points 1 year ago

Whoops. Thanks. I corrected the URL in the post.

[-] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 1 year ago

The wonders of modern technology!

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[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 85 points 1 year ago

I always just kill my TPM chip. It's so obvious tpm will be used in the future for application offline DRM. They will executed encrypted operations under the TPM veil and decompilers will become unusable.

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 80 points 1 year ago

I love how Torvalds always calls it like he sees it.

[-] ken27238@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 year ago

insert nvidia middle finger gif here

[-] shapis@lemmy.ml 56 points 1 year ago

Would love this. I'm still getting the ftpm stutters and there's no way to disable it in my motherboards bios.

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wow I'm surprised you can't disable it. I can disable it on my desktop BIOS (Gigabyte X570S Pro AX) and my work laptop BIOS (Dell G15).

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[-] ryannathans@lemmy.fmhy.net 51 points 1 year ago

Based linus. Kill it, it's pointless

[-] FunkyMonkey@feddit.de 44 points 1 year ago

I've had a weird system-wide stutter for months and the usual googling and troubleshooting didn't help.. omg. This might be it. Thank you Linus and thank you op.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I had it on my Windows 11 PC for a long time. I use this PC for music production and it was infuriating - the sound would just cut out intermittently like the computer couldn't keep up. I tried lots of things, including an expensive CPU upgrade. In the end Asus released a new BIOS for the motherboard to address this AMD stutter, and that fixed it.

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[-] RoundSparrow@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago

the module can cause intermittent stuttering, depending on which Ryzen processor you're using. It appeared when the fTPM was in use, it would access its flash storage via a serial interface, and when doing so, held up activity by the rest of the system.

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[-] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 16 points 1 year ago

"Maybe use it for the boot-time 'gather entropy from different sources,' but clearly it should not be used at runtime."

Good idea. Ask it during boot/insmod for some hardware-random bits to seed Linux's usual software-only CSPRNG, then just use that.

And even that might not be a great idea. I wouldn't be surprised if the fTPM RNG is subtly not-entirely-random, at some alphabet agency's behest. I remember there being a controversy over rdrand for this reason…

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[-] drwho@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago

Yup. I've been wondering if that was the thing that's made the v6.4 kernels so unstable on Ryzen machines.

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