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[-] will_a113@lemmy.ml 48 points 11 months ago

Their “how it works” blog article is worth a read - they’re using a blackbox reverse engineering of the protocol (called PyPush) and re-implementing it natively in an android app, so there are no man-in-the-middle servers. It's pretty bonkers given how difficult Apple's spec-less tech can be to work with.

[-] Drunemeton@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

And Apple will work tirelessly, and litigate endlessly, to stop this from happening.

[-] thorbot@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I’ve been using Beeper for almost two years now on desktop to view my iMessages, discord, and slack all in one app, and Apple hasn’t said or done shit about it yet

[-] snowe@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago

That’s not the same. Beeper mini uses reverse engineering, beeper just uses Mac minis sitting in a datacenter somewhere.

[-] jo3shmoo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

Per the Beeper CTO, evidently Beeper (cloud) isn't using the Mac minis anymore for anyone who migrated to their latest bridge. It's using the same solution, they just didn't make a big deal out of it at the time. I've actually been on the new bridge since early November and haven't had any issues. In my case the new bridge fixed an issue I was having with SMS forwarding from my iPhone.

[-] snowe@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago

thanks for the correction!

[-] Drunemeton@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

WOOOO! Great to know.

[-] EliasChao@lemmy.one 2 points 11 months ago

I read somewhere that RE for the sake of improving communications is allowed, or something along those lines.

[-] accideath@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Reverse engineering for the sake of ensuring compatibility. It’s not limited to communication.

[-] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S24TDRxEna4

SnazzyLabs speculates it won't be shut down because of how it works, and that stopping this application would require a retooling of apple's entire authentication system both server-side and across all devices.

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[-] mmmmmsoup@lemmy.today 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

$2 a month subscription? They want people to pay for this? That’s gonna be a problem for Apple, this is going to get shut down by the end of the week.

Edit: seems I was right 😂 https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/08/beeper-mini-imessage-for-android-shutdown/

[-] EliasChao@lemmy.one 5 points 11 months ago

If I understand correctly, there’s some server usage implicated in the delivering of notifications, so it makes sense that it costs.

That and the fact that it’s a for-profit company expecting to be paid for their product.

[-] mmmmmsoup@lemmy.today 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I get why they want to charge money, that’s obvious. But they are charging money for another companies service - that’s not a good business plan. Especially when that other company is one of the largest in the world.

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

even if it was free apple would probably find a way to break it.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

This seemed exciting to me, so I just downloaded it. The only thing you can do when you open it is sign in with Google, which throws an error:null message. Oh well! Better luck next time.

[-] Spacecraft@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Give it another try. I just signed in and I have already sent blue bubbles to my iOS friends!

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Okay, I went through the troubleshooting and got it working. It's pretty cool. I can edit, see iPhoners typing, reply directly to a text, add reactions to images, and edit a text. No fancy effects though, like the laser beams. I guess this is a pretty good solution until things become standardized. Thanks!

[-] vox@sopuli.xyz 9 points 11 months ago

great, now we need an open source implementation

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It is open source surprisingly!

https://github.com/beeper https://github.com/mautrix/imessage

[edit] I'm kinda wrong, see below

[-] steal_your_face@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The iMessage bridge you linked isn’t the same as this new app I don’t think. Doesn’t that bridge require a Mac computer where this new app doesn’t?

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz -3 points 11 months ago

My understanding is that when you use their app you also use bridge that they host which happens on something that runs Mac OS.

[-] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

That was their old model, but this is a complete reimplementation of iMessage and requires no Apple ID, login details, etc. It's E2E encrypted like all iMessage texts, and Beeper only knows that you have a message waiting, not the contents.

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 4 points 11 months ago

I stand corrected, thanks!

[-] sayitghoul@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

I was interested in Beeper until I saw that it was run by the guy who ran Pebble.

Massive red flag for me. This'll be abandoned just like he did Pebble...

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Although, what’s the worst that happens if Beeper dies in a couple months? Your bubbles turn green on iOS.

Media quality between platforms is finally getting addressed with Apple adopting RCS.

Only real gap is cross-messaging-platform end to end encryption, which is also on the roadmap for RCS. And if you’re really worried about security, handing over your iCloud credentials to a third party probably isn’t a great idea anyway.

[-] Electricdoggo@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

So, question of if they’re safe or not will come down to HOW they did the reverse engineering. If the same engineers that delved into the jailbroken iOS devices are the ones that wrote the code (which seems likely given the prototype came from a single person), they’re going to be in trouble. If they implemented a “clean room” reverse engineering though, then they’re likely safe from being sued over copyright violations. See Wiki

[-] httpjames@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Am I the only one who can't get into this app right now? when I click the Continue with Google button I get a toast saying "google sign in error.null"

Edit: https://help.beeper.com/en_US/beeper-mini/beeper-mini-how-to-fix-google-sign-in-error-during-login-site

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I got the same error.

Edit: I just read the article you linked. Why do we need to sign in with Google at all? Granting an unknown publisher access to my Google account, which knows pretty much everything about me, including financial information, seems unwise.

[-] httpjames@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

They don't have access to that info. Just name and email for subscriptions.

[-] franklin@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I had to search it up in the Google Play store "Beeper: Mini" is the name

Just a heads up though it's a paid service for $2 USD a month (7 day free trial)

[-] rezz@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This is game changing.

this post was submitted on 05 Dec 2023
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