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[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 45 points 9 months ago

Fiona is wicked smart.

: “A world in which Putin defeats Ukraine is one where the U.S.’s standing in the world is diminished, where Iran and North Korea are emboldened, where China dominates the Indo-Pacific, where the Middle East becomes more unstable.”

[-] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That's some excellent analysis, thorough and compelling.

It's just mind-blowing that we could be on the verge of handing over a victory to Putin. We'd be sacrificing our credibility on the world stage, demonstrating to everyone that America is unreliable and can be beaten by anyone with patience. The world would become more dangerous, more conflicts will flare up, and we'll have far less control over our own fate.

And for what? So a few politicians can go back to their gerrymandered safe districts and say that they stuck it to Biden?

[-] rodolfo@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

demonstrating to everyone that ~~America~~ USA is unreliable and can be beaten by anyone with patience

well, didn't that already happen with Afghanistan? Uh, yes... media coverage of Ukraine invasion has been for more extensive in the west.

[-] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

There's a huge difference between pulling out after two decades of boots on the ground, suffering casualties and spending trillions vs two years of sending your hand-me-down equipment to an ally who will do all the fighting, at a cost of 0.1% of your budget.

[-] rodolfo@lemmy.world -5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

yes a huge difference. in the end, just as hill says

USA is unreliable and can be beaten by anyone with patience

this anyone with patience being those demi-animals of talibans, armed with weapons from soviet invasion of '89.

oh and by the way, it seemed more like let's get out of here as fast as possible, more than a pulling out. I'm joking, that was the only way to ~~leave to~~ give talibans usa army weaponry. usa generous confirmed.

EDIT usa do not consider last years in Afghanistan as war, I know this. the rest of the world though thinks that as long there's a single invader, that's war.

[-] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 16 points 9 months ago

It's unfortunate how easy it is to hijack long term plans with short term needs of the few.

Those that plant trees for future generations are few and far between compared to those that want for themselves in the here and now.

[-] ramble81@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

Capitalism say what?

[-] Drusas@kbin.social 15 points 9 months ago

The Republicans don't want global stability. Instability leads populations to be more accepting of dictators and strongmen.

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