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Using AI, researchers identify a new class of antibiotic candidates that can kill a drug-resistant bacterium (phys.org)

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[-] Tremble@sh.itjust.works 52 points 11 months ago

Great; so this is all public domain knowledge since it was created with AI according to current law, right?

[-] Daxtron2@startrek.website 38 points 11 months ago

Personally I think all medicine should be public domain

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 17 points 11 months ago

Everything should.

Medicine. Internet. Waste disposal.

[-] datendefekt@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

All utilities, phone, electricity, sewage, road and rail.

But actually looking at these, pretty much all protocols and standards are already open.

[+] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone -18 points 11 months ago

So you want to reduce innovation and cause creators to not get properly paid for their work? Great idea

[-] themurphy@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

No, because paying for your medicin and Internet is something your government/country SHOULD do.

Healthy people with access to the surrounding world through the Internet is a giant net positive for a country.

But ofc we have to think of the poor billionaires first.

[-] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Healthy people with access to the surrounding world through the Internet is a giant net positive for a country

Certainly, if that was all the public domain was, it'd be great! But it's much worse than that. It allows people to freely take and profit off the art of others without paying dividends. It allows larger companies to steal and copy designs of small, new companies and under cut them even more readily and easily than they already do.

There's plenty of downsides that you're not considering.

[-] themurphy@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I don't know if you commented on the wrong thing, but I argued that medicin and Internet (and similar) should be paid by the country (taxes).

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 7 points 11 months ago

lol "innovation" what is this 1925?

how innovative are the cars being produced because they look the same.

half those medicines are publicly funded

the Internet is publicly funded.

this belief of private sector innovation is not as true as they sell it to be.

[-] Tremble@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

This. Public institutions do a way better job and are more efficient at most things compared to private companies. It’s just a fact.

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Private just makes more money and also you can do ridiculous shit like blow up your own rocket, destroying a landing pad in the process and ignore environmental and labor laws.

[-] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

So you're just going to ignore the even worse creative theft that would happen under such laws towards artistic talents.

There'd be much less in the way of tv shows or animations.

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 1 points 11 months ago

why do you think that??

[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

I think those rulings have only applied to creative works. We'll see.

[-] LanternEverywhere@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago

This 100% is classified as a creative work. That's why drugs are able to be patented in the first place.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

Depends, what was the training set / knowledge base?

[-] Vector@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago

A key innovation of the new study is that the researchers were also able to figure out what kinds of information the deep-learning model was using to make its antibiotic potency predictions. This knowledge could help researchers to design additional drugs that might work even better than the ones identified by the model.

That is awesome. I wonder if the techniques that they have used to expose the machine learning “black box” process can be applied to other models - from my understanding of it, that would be pretty big news in and of itself.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Hope so, that's the big leap forward with machine learning IMO.

[-] Legendsofanus@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

So what, we are learning what caused AI to come to a conclusion?

[-] Fades@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

With the defeat of the super bugs, I for one welcome the super super bugs.

[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

Exterminate all rational thought. That's the conclusion I've come to.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Great. Now lock it away and require CDC approval for each dose. We may just get out of this alive.

Just kidding, nobody gets out of life alive.

[-] Chakravanti@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

Decade tops.

[-] MaximilianKohler@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I guess all the people solely cheering for this aren't aware of the damage we've been doing to ourselves with antibiotics:

While antibiotic resistance gets all the attention, the damage being done to our host-native microbiomes is arguably as big a threat as climate change, as the damage compounds over generations, and once it's gone you can't get it back. (Apr 2019).

Resistance may already be a solved problem: https://humanmicrobiome.info/antibiotics/#fmt-to-counter-antibiotic-resistance

[-] SpaghettiYeti@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

Interesting. Who is the seemingly random person posting on a forum about human biomes? Do you have a peer reviewed paper on it?

[-] MaximilianKohler@lemmy.world -5 points 11 months ago

It says who they are in their signature. And a plethora of peer-reviewed papers are cited.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 11 months ago

Would you prefer to live in a world without antibiotics?

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

No but people should really stop abusing OTC antibiotics like Neosporin. You don't have to put it on every wound.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 4 points 11 months ago

Yes but there's no reason to snark about a new class of antibiotics unless you think they shouldn't be used at all.

[-] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

I tend to have wounds scab into the dressing which sucks because it rips out when you change it. Which is why I got vitamin E gel for those times I don't need an antibiotics. The capsules are also more convenient to carry around than a tube and take virtually no space in a bag/kit.

[-] ripcord@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

Great!

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