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Lemmy World outages (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by lwadmin@lemmy.world to c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world

Hello there!

It has been a while since our last update, but it's about time to address the elephant in the room: downtimes. Lemmy.World has been having multiple downtimes a day for quite a while now. And we want to take the time to address some of the concerns and misconceptions that have been spread in chatrooms, memes and various comments in Lemmy communities.

So let's go over some of these misconceptions together.

"Lemmy.World is too big and that is bad for the fediverse".

While one thing is true, we are the biggest Lemmy instance, we are far from the biggest in the Fediverse. If you want actual numbers you can have a look here: https://fedidb.org/network

The entire Lemmy fediverse is still in its infancy and even though we don't like to compare ourselves to Reddit it gives you something comparable. The entire amount of Lemmy users on all instances combined is currently 444,876 which is still nothing compared to a medium sized subreddit. There are some points that can be made that it is better to spread the load of users and communities across other instances, but let us make it clear that this is not a technical problem.

And even in a decentralised system, there will always be bigger and smaller blocks within; such would be the nature of any platform looking to be shaped by its members. 

"Lemmy.World should close down registrations"

Lemmy.World is being linked in a number of Reddit subreddits and in Lemmy apps. Imagine if new users land here and they have no way to sign up. We have to assume that most new users have no information on how the Fediverse works and making them read a full page of what's what would scare a lot of those people off. They probably wouldn't even take the time to read why registrations would be closed, move on and not join the Fediverse at all. What we want to do, however, is inform the users before they sign up, without closing registrations. The option is already built into Lemmy but only available on Lemmy.ml - so a ticket was created with the development team to make these available to other instance Admins. Here is the post on Lemmy Github.

Which brings us to the third point:

"Lemmy.World can not handle the load, that's why the server is down all the time"

This is simply not true. There are no financial issues to upgrade the hardware, should that be required; but that is not the solution to this problem.

The problem is that for a couple of hours every day we are under a DDOS attack. It's a never-ending game of whack-a-mole where we close one attack vector and they'll start using another one. Without going too much into detail and expose too much, there are some very 'expensive' sql queries in Lemmy - actions or features that take up seconds instead of milliseconds to execute. And by by executing them by the thousand a minute you can overload the database server.

So who is attacking us? One thing that is clear is that those responsible of these attacks know the ins and outs of Lemmy. They know which database requests are the most taxing and they are always quick to find another as soon as we close one off. That's one of the only things we know for sure about our attackers. Being the biggest instance and having defederated with a couple of instances has made us a target.  

"Why do they need another sysop who works for free"

Everyone involved with LW works as a volunteer. The money that is donated goes to operational costs only - so hardware and infrastructure. And while we understand that working as a volunteer is not for everyone, nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. As a volunteer you decide how much of your free time you are willing to spend on this project, a service that is also being provided for free.

We will leave this thread pinned locally for a while and we will try to reply to genuine questions or concerns as soon as we can.

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[-] Tag365@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

The DDOS attacks are still going on? Why is the server unstable?

[-] neonfire@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Any de-federated instance doesn't have the money or resources to start DDOS attacks. You know who does? Large corporations who feel attacked at the very existence of large platforms such as lemmy.world.

Who do we know with those resources, funding, knowledge of software (in general, as well as able to place specific people to learn about certain FOSS projects that have their code available), and the desire to spend such resources?

You know it's Reddit Co, we know it's Reddit Co. They know they're doing it too.

Fuck Spez and his bullshit army. I hope they can sleep well in their suburban McMansions while they sell out their future.

Conspiracy is one thing, this is just obvious.

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[-] Demigodrick@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago

Ah no, sorry, while I sympathise with your technical issues, the rest of your post is disingenuous at best.

Lemmy.world being too big is bad for Lemmy as a product/software/"brand" etc - your downtime, being the instance most people link to, is a LOT of people's first impression and when it spends time being down, people associate THAT downtime with Lemmy, and not the hundreds of other instances that don't have downtime.

The issue isn't even about you being the biggest instance, its the absolute imbalance in both users and communities on one instance and you willingly allowing it continue. If you genuinely cared about Lemmy, you would close registrations now.

You have enough "technical" people to build your own instance from the source code with that change for the banner built in (and you could go ahead and submit the PR/Issue anyway), but you haven't - instead placing the blame on the developers. Hell, you only made the PR 5 hours ago after weeks of other admins asking you to close the instance.

You could even make the simple change to the sign up link instead lead to join-lemmy, but for whatever reason you want to continue to be the biggest instance and don't care about the wider lemmy ecosystem and the effect that it has.

[-] VolatileExhaustPipe@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Thanks for your comment. However that it sits in the high negative numbers (with 3 times the downvotes) shows that this instance is actually a problem. It is quite actively destroying principles of decentralized federated networks. Some very online super posters seem to participate in that.

Again it would be interesting to see who was it that downvoted your post.

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[-] HeavenAndHell@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Are you serious rn?

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Answered your own question before you even asked it 🤦

[-] wee_butterfly@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago

Can I just say I'm kind of annoyed I've had to turn off NSFW. It's pure porn here.

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