You know... under my clothes I'm naked right now!
the degree to which humans are terrified of their own bodies is ridiculous.
At this point it really has become a site that provides soft core porn to children though, or where loners go to have some titty steamer exploit their desperation.
It’s just not the platform for it. Do it on a porn site, not where kids go to watch video games.
This is kind of an intentional cognitive dissonance for Twitch due to its having a conflict of interests.
On the one hand, it wants to tell viewers and advertisers that it cracks down on adult only content.
But on the other hand, the more adult content they let through, the more money they make.
It would be very easy to either make an age restricted section where adult stuff would be allowed, or to completely banish streamers who are the modern equivalent of burlesque. But one is bad PR and the other is bad for revenue.
It's not that simple. Porn is a huge risk for a company, especially if it's user-generated content. You have to police access against underage kids who want to watch that content, and also have an enormous team devoted to immediately take down CSAM.
Lots of payment processors and advertisers do not want to associate themselves with porn because there are too many PR risks. Ask Pornhub how difficult it is to be a porn company on the internet, they've had lots of thorny problems. Or look at Reddit and how it's handling porn content before the IPO: they can't outright ban it or they'll lose users (e.g. Tumblr, another great example of what I'm talking about), so they are trying to hide it as much as possible.
Basically trying to monetize porn is not worth the headache. Last but not least, because there is so much free porn around. Risking so much to gain a few users that could go somewhere else in a whim is REALLY not worth it
I've seen the payment processor argument a lot about this regarding twitch specifically, but I really don't think it holds any weight in this one specific case. This is Amazon we are talking about. They are one of the 3 entities in the whole goddamn world who could dictate terms to Visa, not the other way around.
It's not like they don't have any age restrictions, the streamers that do that stuff have to mark their streams 18+ and add 'sexual themes' tags or they get banned. If chatters even imply their under 18 they must be banned or the streamer gets banned. Im pretty sure you cant see 18+ streams unless you tell the website you're 18, which would mean it's about as much of a gate that pornhub makes you jump through. They make gambling streams have the same rules but their tag says may contain gambling.
I agree. If you want to have a "nude gamer" format on one of the adult streaming sites I don't think that's forbidden.
I had to specifically search out any of the "titty streams" that you speak of.
If kids are going to seek it out, they're going to seek it out. The problem is that porn sites generally have a much lower quality level, as people just sweep it under the rug and expect it to be seedy and gross.
Sex is not evil, peoples bodies aren't shameful. The entire reason these streams are so effective at exploiting that is because of the shaming and ostracizing of sex positivity. This isn't a good thing, it's just damage control as they lose advertising revenue as pearl clutchers whine about it in their monthly letter to the editor.
You could make similar arguments about gambling being a moral panic and they shouldn't ban that on the site. Selling sex to kids is just as exploitive and repugnant. Maybe selling violence to them is too. You'll eventually find a line to draw for something being a vice, even if you don't think this is it.
Now you're equating violence and gambling to sex? Sounds like you're doing exactly what I described in my comment. Equating sexuality with filth and disease.
Yes, there will always be people who do their best to exploit base desires (especially in our current economic systems), that doesn't mean what they use to exploit people is inherently bad. Maybe if we stopped trying to hide sexuality under the carpet like dust bunnies when your mother-in-law visits it wouldn't be nearly as exploitable.
You're being too European dude stop it /s
Selling sex to kids is just as exploitive and repugnant.
Why are we nuking implied nudity entirely off a website to solve a different problem, i.e. kids having access to their parents' credit cards?
I don't understand how any of this is a problem. Just, like, parent your fuckin kids.
This is one step from "take the books out of libraries" level of paternalism
I have yet to see any of this so called soft core porn. Granted I only watch a few streamers regularly. But I don't think the problem is as wide spread as it's been made out to be. I can click on any random twitch channel streaming (and have before more than a few times), and I've never seen any of this issue.
Go to the IRL or Hot Tub sections and find something that isn't softcore porn.
... why is there a Hot Tub section on a gaming site, and what else would it be for?
Correction, 'the degree to which humans are terrified of the outer layer of their bodies is ridiculous'
Blood. Guts, and brain matter are a Saturday staple in America, but keep those nipples (of the female variety, male nips are mmm-hmm a-okay) hidden.
To be fair, if somebody starts streaming without their skin on I'm going to nope the fuck out really quick.
And I sadly would decide that's my time to check out Twitch.
But video games where you violently kill people? 100% cool and good.
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Whatya mean? You can twitch combat games all day that show every component of the human body flying through the air, appendages, intestines, no problem. Just gotta make sure there's no nipples rendered on the flying parts...
No female nipples. Bare male chests are perfectly fine.
Get someone like GG Bridget or Poison from Final Fight and the website implodes though.
It's highly country specific... America's puritanical roots seem to still hold sway. Go to Western Europe and nudity is commonplace
Hole up! Doesn't the existence of clothing imply nudity? Covering the nudity is what clothing is for! I feel like they hadn't thought that through all the way.
I bet you are naked under those pants, you slut.
I swear everytime Twitch updates their policies for clarity, they just get even more confusing.
I've never used Twitch and never tried to keep up to date with anything related, but news about it are hard to miss nowadays. And from just my barely surface level exposure to it, it's so weird. It seems like they completely switch every few months or weeks from "we will allow nudity and even take steps to make it a thing on our platform" to "absolutely no nudity and everyone that tries till get banned".
What the fuck is going on?
It's hard because they want the cut they get of horny donations but they don't want to be a sex site.
They just got pissed at people using censor bars on themselves to make it look like they were naked (in protest for Twitch backing down on their nudity policy).
Yes, it's a salty move, and yes, they're being assholes about it.
~~Artistic nudity allowed~~
Implied nudity prohibited
Artistic nudity must be explicit.
there was this onlyfan streamer who kept blocking the view of her tits with her hand while pretending to do body art for 13 hrs straight. it was the most retarded shit ever
Oh, my God! Who????
Yeah that's disgusting. I wish OP could provide us with a link or a name so we know which streamer to avoid.
Letting people twerk but not letting implied nudity indicates zero effective thought or principle on these actions.
Absolutely incompetent morons.
We want Twitch to be a place where all communities feel welcome.
And in the same breath they ban certain community categories because you can see human bodies. This is not about making people feel welcome, it’s about controlling them, obviously.
Drat. I loved the chaos.
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