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Pornhub pulls out of Montana, NC as age-verification battle rages on (arstechnica.com)

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[-] Wahots@pawb.social 153 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

"develop a technological standard that might turn a user’s electronic device into the proof of age necessary to access restricted online content."

Can we not? Can parents just take care of their kids like they have for thousands of years instead of futility trying to babyproof the internet for a minority of people? Jesus.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 56 points 8 months ago

Especially since parenting is the only thing that's going to actually work. Do you think kids won't figure out a VPN? If they heard enough to type "pornhub", they'll hear about the one extra step.

And there are worse things on the Internet than porn. Some likely on Roblox.

You're just going to have to parent your kid with or without this nanny state blocking scheme.

[-] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 48 points 8 months ago

It's like mandating all cars need to have an ignition interlock because some people drive drunk.

[-] pugsnroses77@sh.itjust.works 14 points 8 months ago

or a real example that most newer cars have a "check rear seat for occupant" alert because some people forget their babies in the backseat and they die...

[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

The difference is that the people involved there are adults and there is no equivalent to the parent responsible for their behaviour so a technical solution makes more sense there.

[-] Dempf@lemmy.zip 5 points 8 months ago

That was the opinion of the Supreme Court nearly 20 years ago in Ashcroft vs. ACLU, but here we are.

[-] PropaGandalf@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Yeah fuck the state. Only overprotective, power hungry loosers work there anyways.

[+] Outtatime@sh.itjust.works -7 points 8 months ago

So there are laws that people agree with that say people under 18 cannot buy/see porn at the store. What makes this any different

[-] thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev 4 points 8 months ago

Basically PH and other xxx sites need you to verify your identity by uploading your ID. It's what should be unconstitutional and a violation of privacy.

[-] Gooey0210@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

Probably the bigger issue is the centralization of the internet

If we would have some more decentralized way of consuming content, then it would be harder to censor or control it

The internet nowadays is essentially just google, facebook, and pornhub

So applying a rule you can just target one company which will comply anyway because this is communism

[-] Outtatime@sh.itjust.works -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I believe the responsibility should be on the parents to keep their children from viewing porn before they're 18. Not the government. I also believe there should be at least some control over what minors have access to. Will it ever be 100%? Nope. All we can do is the best we can do

[-] Gooey0210@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

And this one too of course

What i was just trying to say was about governments trying to put restrictions in the name of kids, anti-terrorism, etc

The same way they can't "protect" people from torrenting sites, here they are trying to protect kids from nsfw

Of course parents need to educate their kids themselves, tell them what good and bad, and be in contact with their kids

Or at least parents can set up parent mode on kids devices, or home network dns filtering

Sacrificing privacy of millions in the name of minority which will find their way anyway is ridiculous

[+] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml -18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Can parents just take care of their kids like they have for thousands of years

Okay, so lets be certain that kids do not have a direct connection with every intelligence agency, mafia and terrorist organization in the world right in their pocket, just as they did not for thousands of years. Now, to be clear I really don't like the approach they've chosen here (I think we need to go much deeper into the fundamental design of the Internet), but I would hope it's not a controversial statement to assert that our society has taken a very sharp turn for the worse ever since the Internet became ubiquitous in children's development, and I think that really ought to prompt discussion about how it's being used.

[-] CazRaX@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago

In other words parents need to be parents and take care of their kids, glad you agree with the OP.

[-] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago

Not sure why you're taking a tone which suggests you think I don't agree with you.

[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

Controversially, I think the Internet has made society better. We're still in the growing years of the age of information, so plenty of challenges to overcome for sure, but it largely has made for a more informed society and really empowered the average person despite the resurgence of authoritarianism.

[-] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 58 points 8 months ago

pulls out heh

[-] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 51 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

There's also this gem at the end

Aylo can expect that law enforcement will continue watching Pornhub closely

ETA : if you don't read arstechnica, really , you should

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Also rages on.

[-] Extrasvhx9he@lemmy.today 3 points 8 months ago

[-] CodeName@infosec.pub 57 points 8 months ago

Are they going to institute the same rules for every online streaming service? Because what if the parents don't set up controls and their kids watch an R rated movie?

This is the parents responsibility and there are tools to keep kids from seeing harmful content.

[-] Gooey0210@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

Are you still thinking it's about kids and adult content? 😮‍💨

[-] RandoCalrandian@kbin.social 2 points 8 months ago

It’s clearly about trying to erase anonymity or even the pretense of it on the internet.
For the children and terrorists are just about always the excuse it starts with

[-] ad_on_is@lemmy.world 38 points 8 months ago

"PornHub pulls out" 🙊

[-] dontblink@feddit.it 28 points 8 months ago

What about sexual and emotional education in schools?

[-] folkrav@lemmy.ca 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The people who really think of age verification as effective measures tend to also be against having those in schools in the first place.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Oh they’ve wanted that gone forever.

[-] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago

That would involve cutting 0.001% of the road budgets... Nope!!

[-] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml 14 points 8 months ago

No one's made a "pulling out" joke yet?

[-] swag_money@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

other than the one in the title?

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 10 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

To kick off the new year, Montana and North Carolina joined a growing number of states enforcing laws requiring age verification to access adult content online.

"While safety and compliance are at the forefront of our mission, giving your ID card every time you want to visit an adult platform is not the most effective solution for protecting our users, and in fact, will put children and your privacy at risk.”

According to CNN, Pornhub and its private equity owners, Ethical Capital Partners (ECP), are currently working with big tech companies to create new device-based age verification solutions.

Those efforts include lobbying Apple, Google, and Microsoft to "develop a technological standard that might turn a user’s electronic device into the proof of age necessary to access restricted online content."

A Pornhub spokesperson told Ars that the technology to accomplish device-based age verification "exists today," but "what is required is the political and social will to make it happen.

As a result of the investigation, in addition to scrutiny from state lawmakers, Aylo can expect that law enforcement will continue watching Pornhub closely.

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

I’m also uncomfortable with device based age verification. That sounds an awful lot like a massive privacy violation that will have far more false positives and false negatives than are reasonable. It’s giving strong “AI face recognition” vibes

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