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Western media have finally change course. They are now admitting that the much promoted Ukrainian counter-offensive has failed. In fact, the acknowledge that it never had a chance to win in the first place.

The Hill, the Washington Post and CNN now agree that the Ukrainian army will never achieve its aims.

western MSM has a rare encounter with reality!

That makes it difficult for the Biden administration to get Congress approval for $24 billion in additional 'aid' to Ukraine. It does not make sense to pay for a cause that is evidently lost.

b seems overly hopeful regarding the rationality of US congress, but i think hes right- why would we throw more money at them, US politicians have made it clear they do not support bringing Ukraine into NATO if they do not win this conflict. of course, US politicians are prone to lying and misleading

Nothing has come from the 'peace conference' which Saudi Arabia arranged on Ukraine's behalf

lol. lmao even. props to big dog MBS for trying

Despite the onslaught of bad news the Ukrainian army is still trying to take Russian positions in the south and east of Ukraine. But it simply does not have enough in men and material to break through the lines.

Even if they would manage to get a local breakthrough there are not enough reserves to push for the necessary follow up. Just one of the NATO trained brigades has still been held back. All others have been mauled in their various deployment zones.

nothing has changed it seems

In the northeast around Kupyansk the Russians have started their own offensive which has the Ukrainians on the run. Ukraine has ordered the evacuation of the area

But Kupyansk is a Russian city and people refuse to leave.

show this to the libs claiming Russians are committing genocide in the regions they capture. curious that these civilians are content with Russian occupation when you believe what western media claims

The Russian campaign is slowly speeding up. As the Ukrainian Strana.news reports (machine translation):

Also in Ukraine, it is recorded that from Kupyansk to Bakhmut, Russia has increased the number of attacks.

"Over the past month, the total number of attacks in the Kupyansk, Limansky and Bakhmut directions has grown significantly. In July, during the week there were 6-6.5 thousand attacks, during the last week-9 thousand attacks, " - said the representative of the National Guard Ruslan Muzychuk.

According to him, the Russian Federation does not experience "shell hunger".

Aviation is also actively used, and over the past few weeks, more than 50 air attacks have been taking place every day, and sometimes more than 80.

That is bad news for the Ukrainian side which lacks the reserves to counter the Russian onslaught. There are also less weapons coming in from the West. F-16 fighter jets will be delayed for another nine months due to training issues. Tanks and other material are in short supply.

these supply issues sure bode well for the west’s performance in WW3 sicko-hyper

Strana also report of an interview with a knowledgeable Ukrainian soldier (machine translation):

Continuing the topic of the situation at the front, an interesting interview was given by a Ukrainian sniper fighting near Bakhmut with the call sign "Grandfather". On the air of political scientist Yuri Romanenko, he was introduced as Konstantin Proshinsky (this is a pseudonym).

The fighter spoke in detail about his vision of the situation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Russian army.

  1. Mobilization. In his opinion, it is conducted incorrectly. Recruits are sent to the front who have never been trained, and they are often over 50 years old and with a whole bunch of diseases.
  1. No rotation. The soldier says that "the same brigades" are fighting at the front, and people are not taken out of the front line for six months or more. Whereas by Western standards, they can be kept in a war zone for no more than three months.
  1. Behavior of mid-and high-level commanders. According to Proshinsky, many of them are trying to arrange a "mini-Stalingrad" on the positions, forcing them to go into frontal assaults on well-fortified Russian positions.
  1. The Russian Army began to fight better.
  1. Proshinsky believes that Russia has not yet used much of what it has against Ukraine.

The soldier thinks that the Russians will not move from their positions and that a stalemate peace like in Korea would be the end result.

UAF in real dire times— recruiting the elderly, poor logistics, engaging the enemy at inopportune times, and Russia has yet to waver

I believe that to be wrong. Russia's aim is to liberate at least the four regions that it has claimed for itself. For political reasons it can not stop before that is done.

Should the Ukraine continue to fight after that, Russia is likely to set new aims and take more land.

more editorializing, but it doesnt seem unreasonable. i thought Russia would stick to its original goal of Donetsk and Luhansk, but if Zaporizhzhia and Kherson are receptive to Russian governance, it would be foolish for Russia to give them up

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[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 169 points 1 year ago

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[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 84 points 1 year ago

comes to an instance commonly defederated because tankies

Sees tankies

kitty-cri-screm OMG I DIDN'T KNOW HEXBEARS WAS ACTUALLY TANKIES

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[-] puff@hexbear.net 82 points 1 year ago

Show me one place the Ukronazis broke through even the first line of Russian defences. I'll wait, dorks.

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[-] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 82 points 1 year ago

lol “editorialized”. i counted two instances of b editorializing in this otherwise well cited article. and one of those is barely editorializing, more of a hypothesis based on prior evidence that Ukraine does not have enough reserves to follow up if they happen to break the Russian line. the other is a guess of Russia’s future actions, but again, its a reasonable guess based on the current status of the Russian army and the general sentiment of civilians in Russia-occupied oblasts.

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[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 144 points 1 year ago

Its just so much fucking blood spilled.

I can't get over how many people are throwing their lives away over some dipshits in their respective capitals putting new lines on a map. Nightmarish to see Ukrainians and Russians alike march to their deaths over this shit.

[-] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 82 points 1 year ago

some Ukrainians are being coerced into serving. libs will call me a Russian bot for this, but i dont think the same can be said for Russia. they have enough active military personnel to avoid drafting; they havent even deployed them all

but yeah, war is depressing. hopefully before we go extinct we will achieve communism and end war

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[-] SimulatedLiberalism@hexbear.net 80 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is simply the overture of what will turn out to be the ultimate fight between US and China - the showdown between finance capitalism and industrial capitalism. All the geopolitical events revolve around this fundamental contradiction of capitalism, which is now approaching its zenith.

What is happening in Ukraine today is likely a cakewalk compared to what is to come. Biden truly scares me, being so casually ending European prosperity (it won’t recover for the next half a century) and using monetary and economic policies to engineer famines and poverty across the developing world just to slow the decline of the empire. The interest rates hikes, and the sanctions against Russian agricultural products, are literally impoverishing and killing people in the global south.

He will make sure that America will be the last to go down, even if it means total annihilation in a war against China. The real question is, how will the rest of the world respond to this?

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[-] Nightcastle@hexbear.net 114 points 1 year ago

My american internet friends got so mad at me when I said at the beginning of all this that there should be an immediate ceasefire and surrender to stop the fighting and I was called an apologist for Putin and that this was an unprovoked invasion and you have to protect yourself. These people never experienced military action near their homes.

[-] grey_wolf_whenever@hexbear.net 88 points 1 year ago

Same, I got called a Nazi for saying we shouldn't send them "lethal aid", as if flooding a warzone with bullets is how you get less people shot.

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[-] KarlBarqs@hexbear.net 86 points 1 year ago

Every lib I know says this is a genocidal war (despite no proof of any intent to genocide, they just think Putin wants to massacre every Ukrainian ever) and that, responding to that report about crackdowns on draft dodgers, anyone who tries to avoid conscription is a traitor and should be treated as such.

Absolutely deranged the takes one can dig up when one is not threatened in any way.

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[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 76 points 1 year ago

To Americans, war is no different from a movie or video game.

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[-] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 109 points 1 year ago

This is really weird. I just read on quora that Russia has almost no tanks left. I'm not joking.

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[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 104 points 1 year ago

Using a combined arms NATO style attack tactic for the counter offensive when Ukraine basically has no air force was certainly a very smart and good idea with no potential problems. Especially when attacking entrenched and mined Russian positions. Great idea from the NATO military commander failsons

[-] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 102 points 1 year ago

I can only imagine the number of dead and wounded Ukrainian soldiers. This didn't need to happen.

My friend's Ukrainian husband just got out, but he's still in some sort of family visa limbo. He's story from the last two years is just trauma laden with trauma.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 97 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Disgusting waste of lives.

All of this should have fucking ended but Boris Johnson fucked it all. Fuck him and fuck all the liberals that have been spewing bloodthirsty vile shit calling for tens of thousands of lives to be wasted in a fucking meatgrinder for some lines on a map. I do not give a fuck about the Ukrainian state, I do not give a fuck about the Russian state. Lines on a map are not people.

These people deserved better than bloodthirsty assholes.

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[-] btbt@hexbear.net 86 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Don’t worry guys, I hear they’re bringing in some dude called Steiner to start another counter-offensive, everything’s still good 👍

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[-] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 77 points 1 year ago

The counter offensive is more than a military maneuver. It's an idea. Light itself.

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