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submitted 10 months ago by MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net to c/news@hexbear.net

unelected leader making unelected decisions

normal day in shithole country

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[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 45 points 10 months ago

Bro isn’t your country like, falling apart? Maybe focus on that?

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 41 points 10 months ago

Never? We’ll see

[-] supafuzz@hexbear.net 38 points 10 months ago

2.5 billion will keep things going for what, a week

[-] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 17 points 10 months ago

assuming it doesn't all immediately get embezzled

[-] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

This is personally for Zelensky to put into a duffel bag to go with his cocaine bag.

[-] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago

Mooom, can we have the support of an imperial power?

We have an imperial power at home.

The imperial power at home: ukkk

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago

Can someone ELI5 why the Ukraine War has been going on for so long? Is it some perpetual war thing to give handouts to military contracters, because for my limited understanding, it looks like a war not meant to be won for money laundering reasons.

Even western capitalist countries should be aware of how it looks when the government's enthusiastic to send in billions for Ukraine, yet the entire anglosphere is drowning in austerity.

[-] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It should have ended in April '22 when Russia and Ukraine almost reached a working peace deal. This is already a proven fact by multiple sources now and even western reporting back then. At that point in time the combined EU(Scholtz), Boris(UK) and presumably the US with their blessing decided that they could use this war as a "cheap" way to fight a proxy war against Russia and that Russia would not escalate if Ukraine did not cross certain red lines(e.g missile strikes on Russian soil).

Arming Ukraine is cheap compared to the far higher price of Russian victory- Atlantic council

Concerns over mounting expenses are understandable but shortsighted. While Ukraine has so far received hundreds of billions of dollars in military aid, this figure pales into relative insignificance when compared to the far higher price the international community will have to pay in the event of a Russian victory.

A wide range of Western politicians and commentators have already made the case for the cost-effectiveness of funding the Ukrainian war effort, with many noting the dramatic reduction in Russia’s military potential as a result of crippling losses suffered in Ukraine. In May 2023, US Senator Lindsey Graham described American military aid to Ukraine as “the best money we’ve ever spent.”

US Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has recently echoed Senator Graham’s sentiments. “No Americans are getting killed in Ukraine. We’re rebuilding our industrial base. The Ukrainians are destroying the army of one of our biggest rivals. I have a hard time finding anything wrong with that,” he commented on October 20.

McConnell’s arguments are certainly persuasive. However, in order to fully appreciate the true value of continued support for Ukraine, it is necessary to contemplate what would happen if Western military aid came to an end and Vladimir Putin succeeded in subjugating the country.

Finaly the problem is that Ukraine is governed and filled with hardcore Nazis that will accept nothing but genocide and ethnic cleansing of Russians in Donbass and Crimea. Why? Beyond the obvious nazism is the fact that Ukrainian "nationalism" is a myth based on nothing but extremely cherry picked history that intersects with actual Nazis all the way back from WW2 and historically the US looked for the opportunity to support this movement against the USSR and now they're lucky they can use this against Russia.

Therefore throughout late '22 and '23 they promised that they could retake territory if they were given proper NATO equipment and training.

Meanwhile NATO naturaly believes their own BS about white supremacy so of course they thought 6 months of training some clueless Ukrainian teenagers plus a handful of German tanks made in 1985 was all it takes to beat Russia.

As it stands now were are in the middle area where some of the western leaders can see the eventual Ukrainian failure after the offensive but the UK and EU remain committed to Ukraine for political reasons.

For Germany/France specifically it is their only excuse for destroying the economy. The US destroyed nordstream and they still claim Russia unilaterally stopped the gas supply. They've picked this hill to die on because there is nowhere else to go other than to admit defeat and that is political suicide.

[-] blakeus12@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

Is it some perpetual war thing to give handouts to military contracters

this and to try and weaken russia and other geopolitical opponents of the us

[-] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago

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[-] blakeus12@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

07 great post, comrade

[-] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago

Damn, it's almost like Britain sees the US going down and wants to go down with it.

[-] DyingOfDeBordom@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

Going down??

volcel-kamala

Even the US doesn't care any more.

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

Japan recently pledged $4 billion. My read on this is that the US very much does still care but aid is now a political issue so it is providing said aid through vassal states instead to keep its own books clean.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 10 months ago

Oh, they "care" in that they want their vassals to sell weapons to Ukraine, so they can then sell weapons to their vassals.

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Come on UK, sack Sunak already. You know you want to.

[-] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

as if we get any say in it

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

Maybe if the Brits hung Ukraine flags at Britain's dilapidated schools they could trick their government into funding then before they fall over?

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