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[-] admiralteal@kbin.social 118 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

An $11,000 wage increase is ~$5/hr for a full time employee.

Starting pay at Startbucks is around $15/hr. They're famously stingy with full-time though, so in reality it is quite a bit more than a 25% increase.

Honestly, I was expecting to find some glaring error in the logic on this but I don't really see it.

[-] Fermion@mander.xyz 88 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The glaring error is this screenshot is listing an income figure that is comparable to the 2022 total revenues in the 2022 fiscal report.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SBUX/starbucks/ebitda

It looks like Starbucks 2023 EBITDA was $7.3 Billion and the net income was $4.1 Billion.

The post makes a good point, but uses garbage data. Why do they do this? Although an $11,000 raise would elliminate the actual net earnings figure.

[-] admiralteal@kbin.social 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

There it is. I kept finding investor reports claiming the same 25 bil number as the net profit, but that's just goofy if their actual bottom-line was under 5.

And that $11,000 figure is now about 6x too big. Meaning we're talking about a less than a dollar raise. Not to even mention ebida is STILL more than bottom-line profits.

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[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 20 points 10 months ago

Why do they do this?

Incredibly frustrating.

Should we form an eat the rich union, obviously.

Is sharing garbage data on social media the way to get there, no! Real data (like on wealth concentration) is offensive enough!

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[-] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 18 points 10 months ago

I did the math, too, and came to the same conclusion.

I'll just be over here eating cake, like a good sans-culottes

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 91 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah, this inflationary period shows that it has to do with profit-seeking and not monetary supply. We made the money printers go BRRRRR for a very long time with almost no inflation, then suddenly COVID and supply chain hiccups gave corporations an excuse to transfer more of society's wealth to themselves by raising prices and not lowering them again afterwards.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago

Can't expect change when all we elect are wealthy people who care more about their stock portfolios than their constituents.

[-] kemsat@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Yup. It’s pure insanity that most of Congress is made up of lawyers & businesspeople.

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[-] fidodo@lemmy.world 49 points 10 months ago

B-b-but I was told that paying employees more would cause inflation!

[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm pretty sure the last couple of years has been mass rich fuck retaliation for pushing some fast food workers wages to $15/hr.

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[-] kajdav@lemmy.world 40 points 10 months ago

This is garbage data. Learn the difference between revenue, gross profit, and net profit.

[-] Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ok. $36 biliion consolidated net revenue reported at a 16% profit margin for fiscal year 2023 still leaves $5.76 billion in money that went somewhere after everyone was paid, taxes were ~~avoided~~ paid and all approved expenses were handled.

Edit: adding source https://investor.starbucks.com/press-releases/financial-releases/press-release-details/2023/Starbucks-Reports-Q4-and-Full-Year-Fiscal-2023-Results/default.aspx

[-] Tbird83ii@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 10 months ago

WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS???? HOW CAN THEY SURVIVE WITHOUT THEIR (checks Starbucks earnings sheet) $4B IN NET EARNINGS!?!?

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[-] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 8 points 10 months ago

Teach me papa

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago

All together it's $528.773 billion! That's $66 for each and every single person on the planet!

What even the fuck.

[-] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

Aka one family meal at Culver's.

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's even worse: corporate profits are driving price inflation.

Proper Inflation sees both prices and salaries go up, so isn't all that bad for most people (unless it goes all the way to hyperinflation) because people aren't actually losing purchasing power as they do with just price inflation.

[-] m0darn@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 months ago

Came here to say this too, so I hope it's okay if I elaborate.

Politicians and corporations love to conflate cost of living increases with inflation. Not every price increase is due to inflation. Only price increases that are due to increased customer buying power are inflation. Taxes don't 'drive inflation' they slow it, because they reduce customer buying power. Taxes DO increase cost of living (if they aren't used to fund services that reduce cost of living).

Corporations love to point at price increases and just 'inflation'. Politicians love to say

we're getting tough on inflation, our policies limited it to just 5% (or whatever).

When sure maybe inflation is just 5% but total cost of living has gone up much more, which is the actual problem.

Inflation typically only hurts people on fixed incomes. Hyper inflation, where inflation is so severe that markets can't set prices and people lose faith in money altogether, is obviously a problem but it takes a lot more inflation than what we're seeing.

[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

When do we start burning shit.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 18 points 10 months ago

I keep asking people to join my radical and extremely poorly regulated militia but everyone thinks it's a joke for some reason.

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[-] dynamojoe@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

To borrow some investor speak: "Past performance is no guarantee of future results." However in this case, it absolutely does. The drive to squeeze even one more drop of blood is relentless and in many cases it's required. Boards must do what's best for the company or they risk lawsuits from shareholders. They cannot deviate from a maximum-extraction plan (either profits or market share) without very good reasons. Each one of those companies has to do better year over year, or explain to the board/shareholders/media/etc why they did not.

How they get those profits up can be cutting pay, "restructuring" (layoffs), optimization, price increases, cheaper supply, better methods, etc. Most of this list will be the same next year and the numbers will be higher. Hate the game.

[-] cloud_punk@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

It's perfectly evil system as nobody has to take moral accountability. The board has to make the best decisions for the shareholders and the shareholders don't run the company, just invest in it. It's what my mind goes to when oil companies claim that they are doing their part for climate change.

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[-] i3c8XHV@aussie.zone 19 points 10 months ago

Why is this list not sorted? Am I the only one confused by this?

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 13 points 10 months ago

It is sorted, it's a list of "gigantic asshole companies" they just all tied for first.

:P

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[-] PatFussy@lemm.ee 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Revenue does not mean gross profit. Gross profit does not mean net earnings. The numbers this person posted is the money the conpany gets before any operation costs. This means this is how much the product sold regardless of how much it costs to produce, package, ship, r&d, worker cost, etc. This meme has to stop its poisoning your brains

[-] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago

These numbers are gross profit. A quick search would verify this for yourself.
You seem to misunderstand what gross profit is because you decided to make a weird word salad.
Gross profit is the profit a business makes after subtracting all the costs that are related to manufacturing and selling its products or services.
So the numbers are relevant. It's not worker wages that are the driving inflation. It's not government handouts driving inflation. It's corporate profits that are driving inflation

[-] PatFussy@lemm.ee 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Gross profit is NOT how much money a company makes after all costs. This is the basic misunderstanding. Here is an example

Kraft Heinz Quarterly Revenue

2023-09-30 $6,570

2023-06-30 $6,721

2023-03-31 $6,489

2022-12-31$7,381

TOTAL: 27.161B

Kraft Heinz Quarterly Gross Profit

2023-09-30 $2.235B

2023-06-30 $2.261B

2023-03-31 $2.113B

2022-12-31 $2.364B

Total: $8.973B

Kraft Heinz Quarterly Net Profit

2023-09-30 $262M

2023-06-30 $1,000M

2023-03-31 $836M

2022-12-31 $890M

Total: 2.988B

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/KHC/kraft-heinz/revenue

For clarification, I'm not saying I'm against increasing labor pay. I am just saying the numbers used are misleading.

[-] alexrmay91@lemm.ee 18 points 10 months ago

But only some numbers. Apple's, for instance, is net profit from what I can see. Heinz isn't. I haven't looked into any more of them, but they're just inconsistent.

Crappy posts like this bug me so much because it makes "my side" look like we're full of shit. There are mountains of true and verified facts to support the conclusion that workers should be paid more and corporations are ruthlessly greedy.

[-] PatFussy@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

This exactly. We don't need to fluff or bullshit numbers just to prove that corporations are fucking over their labor and the customers.

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[-] Dim0N@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Ah yes, the famous Walmart, having 2 times the profits of Apple but costing 5 times less in stock.

The picture totally makes sense, no questions asked.

[-] Erismi14@midwest.social 15 points 10 months ago

Stock price is not inherently tied to profit. That is why p/e ratio exists. Also different industries can have different p/e ratios. Not even this holds though. Tesla's p/e is OOM more than Toyota, but Toyota has higher profits and sells more cars.

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[-] Blackmist@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Surely Starbucks have more employees than that? Are they all franchised or something?

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[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 12 points 10 months ago

The company that owns Huggies Diapers managed to reduce costs of production multiple years in a row while raising prices for consumers at the same time.

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[-] jettrscga@lemmy.world 36 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Convincing people they need to buy basically the exact same shit yearly.

And fighting a lot of lawsuits involving their planned obsolescence and monopoly so they can keep it that way.

[-] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

I find it kinda ironic that apple users upgrade every year, cause iPhones can last forever, that’s the very reason I use it, my cousins 11 pro is still going very strong, and I plan to use mine atleast until I break it or Apple ends support

[-] MelodiousFunk@kbin.social 11 points 10 months ago

cause iPhones can last forever, that’s the very reason I use it

Not quite forever, but I went from a 6s to a 14. Had to change the battery a couple of times but other than gradually getting slower it was fine (until OS support was dropped).

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[-] Ackerthegod@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

These numbers are gross profit I believe. You can have $100B in gross profits and $100B in costs, netting $0. Better to show EBITDA and make your point that way.

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