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Should have been Bernie.
And gore over bush
This clip of President Al Gore from a parallel universe where he was elected used to be pretty damn funny but they took it down so fuck NBC.
Guess it was a little too embarrassing for them.
Should have been him for two straight terms in a row. That meme about a utopian society would have been our reality by now.
Good ideals doesn't mean he can get anything past a conservative congress
True but racist fascist zealots wouldn’t be as emboldened and we might have prevented the worst of Covid and there almost certainly wouldnt have been an attempted fucking coup
The Republicans would have cared about the budget so much.
I wonder where we'd be if Bernie had won in 2016?
And Gore instead of Bush?
Gore did win. If you want arguments of illegitimate presidents W. takes the cake
I was extremely unhappy when Trump won in 2016, and I absolutely blame all kinds of factors like misinformation, Comey, Clinton’s own campaign missteps of course, sexism, etc. But ultimately you are right, the only person who actually was a fraudulent president who won by illegitimate means was W.
The sad thing is this question never makes me question his intentions like it would with other politicians.
It's only about how other politicians would work with him. I have a feeling he'd get totally shut down from getting anything done. He's "extreme" even for some democrats who have drifted right.
For Bernie to win the general in 2016 we would’ve already had to be a pretty different country. Though I agree things would probably be a fair bit better.
The idea that his odds were worse than Hillary who the republicans spent two decades preparing against is laughable.
The moment he accepted being branded as a socialist he lost. The upside is he also accelerated the death of that term meaning anything other than “not Republican.”
He would have crushed Trump under his heel. Almost anyone would have.
It’s tempting to speculate and claim victory when he never had it tested, but I just don’t think that is valid when he didn’t even win the primary, which is going to have further left participants than the rest of the nation in the first place.
The democrat establishment was against him and put their thumb on the scale among the party elite but ultimately people didn’t pull the levers for him. He raised the cash, he shot his shot, and people did not come out for him as expected (despite the impressive showing). It didn’t help that in both campaigns he assumed a youth vote was waiting in the wings that was never there. Disastrous assumption on his part based on no quantifiable data.
Polling showed him beating Trump both times. In 2016 it showed him beating Trump but Clinton losing to Trump. It's not only speculation.
That is indeed speculation and “polls” meaning what? Which polls? When in the race?
All those people who were voting for him in the polls should’ve showed up at the primaries if they were so numerous. I’d entertain the idea if you told me just 2016, but 2020 there is no way. He did worse than 2016 by a large margin. Once biden won SC Bernie’s campaign collapsed. I’d know - I worked it!
Sadly, he likely would have been assassinated, I am sorry to say, or to even think that.:-( He is REALLY hated by the establishment, yes even that strongly.
They pull out ALL the stops when reporting about his performance - ignoring humongous entirely sold-out crowds that showed up during sub-zero temps in a snowstorm even (while conversely Hillary Clinton literally paid people to show up at hers, and still could not manage even a quarter of a much smaller room - they had to put up flags on either side just to make it look less empty, and this even in her home state), and I recall one analysis that I saw on Reddit showing images where they swapped the "this person won = shown first, and in green color" and "this person lost = shown second, and in yellow", showing Bernie's win in yellow and second EVEN THOUGH HE WON. It was accompanied by commentary from someone who worked at a TV station who explained how much effort it would be to swap out the color plates from showing one person, then swap them out quickly while switching to Bernie, then swap them out AGAIN to describe the person after him - i.e., they really went out of their way to make that little "oopsie" happen (assuming this was true, but I tend to believe it based on everything else I've seen happen wrt how they report him).
The thing is, Obama brought up some solid points about why he makes a good congressman but may not make a good President: it is one thing to advocate for reform, like a prophet in the wilderness Obama said, but it is another to be a King - you have to make the tough choices. i.e., Bernie tells us which way we should go, and that is a huge service that he does us, plus serves as a Senator, but could he really stand up to Putin - is he capable of realizing the sheer amount of evil that he represents? (this might be the link? I don't have an X account so I literally cannot read it myself, and I refuse to make one too:-P)
Then again, just about every decision that Bernie has made has been correct so far - as demonstrated by his voting record - so... there is that:-).
but could he really stand up to Putin - is he capable of realizing the sheer amount of evil that he represents?
Absolutely. Bernie is fearless. For your second question, do you really think that after more than 50 years serving in one of the highest seats in the land, he doesn't understand what happens in the government? He understands considerably more than you and I do. He understands more than everyone in this thread combined. But he faces it and always stands for what is right, and people hate him for it.
Thanks for this honest comment. I think we all agree we'd prefer to go down on fire trying to do right vs chickening out.
I think Bernie would prefer to say least try, and I wish he'd gotten the chance.
Holy crap that's amazing. Somehow it rings double knowing that he is of Jewish ancestry himself.
I mean being Jewish doesn’t mean you need to support a specific country, but I get your point
I thought by that metric, most people in Israel itself don't support the current establishment, or at least what it is currently doing (but I could be misremembering, e.g. maybe it is most "young people" or some such subset).
Do you know of any "young people" that support the current establishment, anywhere? am Israeli, btw
to the surprise of no one
delight to see Warren and Markey, despite seeing as establishment democrats, voted for the correct side.
I'm sure the State Department has a document ready that says "Israel has never done anything wrong and you're awful for even implying it" they can give them within a few minutes of this passing.
You tried to smite the dragon, well ha, the dragon used an antisemite potion on you, lose a turn.
Just read the law. I'm not sure what it means for Sanders to invoke the act. The way I read it, it should have automatically applied. Congress would likely have to sue the Biden administration to force them to comply.
That said there's a get out of jail clause. Basically, Biden simply needs to write a letter with his excuse for ignoring war crimes. it'll go "something something Oct 7 gives Israel the right to genocide".
And that's it, aid flows freely after that.
Still, at least Bernie is raising this as an issue.
It'll detail the steps being taken by the Biden Administration to try and contain the Human Rights Abuses.
You may be right, but I think he likely intends it as one step in a larger process. Maybe there will be subsequent steps, maybe not, but as you said it at least takes some kind of action to bring attention to the issue, to help deal with the paralysis in Congress right now.
Also, I thought the opposite: that if that detailed report is not given, all funding for it automatically halts after 30 days? I'm sure the devil is in the details - particularly whether whatever Biden sends is deemed "acceptable" to Congress that is receiving it? - but anyway likely Bernie means to accomplish something with this or else he would not have bothered.
Haha thats brilliant well done
Working the system from the inside, go Bernie!!
He is very old, very experienced, and very passionate - a master of his craft many would say.
Can anyone tell me what it says, won't load for me
Says Bernie is calling for a Vote to enforce a requirement that the Israel's Human Rights Abuses be reported as a prerequisite to aid
Prerequisite to extending aid* but otherwise great summary
Nice. Thanks!
Senator Sanders playing that 5d chess. Ffs, he really should have been the democratic nominee. He's getting on in years now and people will say that he's probably too old, but man do I respect him regardless.
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