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Trump’s legal team also tried to throw cold water on the idea in a filing earlier this week, writing that the “events of January 6 were not an ‘insurrection’ as they did not involve an organized attempt to overthrow or resist the U.S. government.”

Trump disagrees, apparently.

“They kept saying about what I said right after the insurrection,” he said outside Mar-a-Lago after arguments concluded in Washington, D.C. “I think it was an insurrection caused by Nancy Pelosi.

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[-] aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world 200 points 7 months ago

But Biden’s brain is the one we should be worried about. 🙄

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 63 points 7 months ago

We should, because it's the brain that has to beat Trump. We don't have any better options, unfortunately.

[-] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 45 points 7 months ago

We have better options; the DNC and GOP both refuse to present one.

[-] fitgse@sh.itjust.works 35 points 7 months ago

I really thought in 2016 Bernie would splinter the democrats and we’d have a true left party. I also thought trump would create a new party on the right and the republicans would go back to being republicans. Can you imagine a 4 party system!

To my surprise, the trump dragged the republicans even further to the right, and the democrats moved even more center-right to appease ex-republicans. So the whole nation just moved right, which is sad.

[-] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 26 points 7 months ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law

FPTP tends towards a two-party system. CGP Grey made a video about it.

[-] iquanyin@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

it's been moving to the right my whole lifetime. i'm 64. we're not right at the fascist line, with our right wing party actually over the line, and no far left at all.

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[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 7 months ago

I'm worried about both. Neither should be president. Trump never should have been. Having 70 and 80+ year old presidents that couldn't program a damned TV remote is just a showcase of how terrible our plutocracy has become.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 107 points 7 months ago

Well, we do have that well publicized viral tweet from Pelosi where she called all her supporters to DC telling them "Will be wild!" then topped that off by whipping the crowd into a frenzy by telling them they have to "fight like hell".

Oh, wait, that was Trump...

[-] klemptor@startrek.website 25 points 7 months ago

I mean, I understand how the law works and everything, but from a very pragmatic perspective, how is there even a soupçon of doubt at this point? Having a trial for this really feels more like we're asking "which side has craftier lawyers" rather than "did he actually incite an insurrection". It seems so silly.

(I hope this makes sense, I'm a little high.)

[-] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

I don't understand, but I'm also a little high. So I blame that

That being said, I can't tell you how excited I am for soupcon this year. I'm going dressed as split-pea

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[-] whoelectroplateuntil@sh.itjust.works 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

There's no doubt, the rightists on the court want him there and the liberals are terrified of speaking out one this one. The procedural argument they're using is that "the 14th Amendment delegates this power to Congress, so Colorado doesn't get to unilaterally decide because they're bypassing Congress." Unfortunately for this line of argument, Congress already used its authority to pass a law, 18 U.S.C. § 2383, which states that anybody who engages "in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto" is ineligible for political office.

Since the courts have already sent a variety of participants and organizers to prison for seditious conspiracy, seems pretty reasonable to conclude there have already been findings than Jan 6 was an insurrection or rebellion of some kind, or else it wouldn't have been seditious. Even more to the point, participants in Jan 6 have already been found ineligible and removed from public office due to their participation in Jan 6. Colorado is simply applying already-existing federal statutes regarding Trump's eligibility, and more to the point, arguably states that ARE putting him on the ballot are actually the ones flaunting federal law.

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[-] ryper@lemmy.ca 82 points 7 months ago

If Nancy Pelosi caused the insurrection why didn't your people try to charge her instead of focusing on Hunter Biden?

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago
[-] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

Two more words:

For.

MTG.

[-] Wrench@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

He meant Nancy Pelosi (and schumer) insurrected against his rightful rule by coordinating with the police, mayor, and national guard to squash his... "good people"

[-] Heresy_generator@kbin.social 77 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The Narcissist's Prayer

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault. <- We are now here
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.

[-] GiuseppeAndTheYeti@midwest.social 11 points 7 months ago

We're definitely not going to get to hear "i didn't mean it."

And I'd argue that we're already on the last line.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 61 points 7 months ago
[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

He's not currently on trial for insurrection, for some reason.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 54 points 7 months ago

He's on trial for the January 6th insurrection. Specifically: conspiracy to defraud the United States, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding and conspiracy against rights.

The two in the middle are going to be very hard to defend against considering he admits it was an insurrection.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

I agree he's guilty on all charges, but he wasn't charged with insurrection. He should have been charged with insurrection and seditious conspiracy.

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[-] Nougat@kbin.social 37 points 7 months ago

I think it was an insurrection caused by Nancy Pelosi.

Those first two words are doing some hard work fending off a slander suit.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 36 points 7 months ago

Colorado needs to throw the middle finger to scotus and keep trump off the general election ballot.
Roberts has made his decision. Now let him enforce it.

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 32 points 7 months ago

So the people who were Antifa and MAGA patriots who went to the Capital to peacefully cause an insurrection that was and wasn't a false flag setup by the FBI and "globalists" and are going to prison because of the actions they did and didn't do on Jan 6 were all being led by... Pelosi?

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 15 points 7 months ago

I kind of feel for him. It would be hard to keep track of that many unhinged lies

[-] norbert@kbin.social 14 points 7 months ago

No need to keep track, just say whatever you want to say in the moment. Your followers don't care and the media certainly isn't going to call you on it.

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[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago

I think it was an insurrection caused by Nancy Pelosi.

How dare Nikki Haley cause an insurrection!

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[-] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 30 points 7 months ago

That's RIGHT! January 6th was OBVIOUSLY an Insurrection plotted by Nancy Pelosi to send FBI and Antifa into the Capitol to STOP the certification of their chosen Candidate because that's the ONLY way to make Grab Her By The Pussy look BAD! But it also WASN'T an Insurrection and all those people in jail are PRISONERS OF WAR that need to be released! Unless they are Antifa or FBI which they AREN'T even though it was ONLY FBI and Antifa committing the Insurrection that was NOT an Insurrection!

[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago

Trump’s legal team also tried to throw cold water on the idea in a filing earlier this week, writing that the “events of January 6 were not an ‘insurrection’ as they did not involve an organized attempt to overthrow or resist the U.S. government.”

Well, they are right on part of that. It definitely wasn't well organized, just like the entirety of Trump's presidency. I thank the powers that be on a regular basis that he and his cronies were so incompetent.

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[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 21 points 7 months ago

If J6 was all democratic agitators in red hats, why is half of his platform pardoning anybody and everybody with J6 charges? 🤔

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[-] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

Are you kidding me? These ads are fucking insane. Christ

[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 13 points 7 months ago

Ad blocker.

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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago
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[-] sepi@piefed.social 15 points 7 months ago

His stupid mouth is like how Darth Vader was supposed to bring balance to the force in Star Wars Ep. 6

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[-] iquanyin@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

straight from the horse's ass's mouth 🤣

[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

His cultists will still say it was peaceful or bring up another event lol.

[-] Dragomus@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 7 months ago

I have the impression the case before the supreme court is being pushed in the wrong direction ... It should be about Trump being an insurrectionist (and consequently not able to be re-elected). This would give a clear cut answer and stops everything good, or bad.

Not the current argument of if states are allowed to ban anyone from the ballot. Where the supreme court can wiggle it's answer and blame individual States for blocking the democratic process. Whatever the answer will be here things will limp onwards with more and more court cases.

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[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 10 points 7 months ago

Can he say that again in front of the Supreme Court Justices? I bet he doesn't have the balls!

[-] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 14 points 7 months ago

He can say whatever he wants and those fuckers will still rule in his favour. The Supreme Court is very much part of the insurrection.

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[-] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 7 months ago

My bet is on him confusing Haley/others enough to call her Pocahontas.

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