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There has never been an energy transition (hipcrime.substack.com)
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[-] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The absolute rate didn't go down, but the proportional rate did. Because our energy consumption has increased.

It's kind of like arguing that there are more pirates today than there were 400 years ago. Yes, technically correct in absolute terms. In fact there's more of everything today. But that doesn't mean we are living in the age of piracy (the naval kind). And it shouldn't mean the current deployment of renewables is making no progress.

[-] chobeat@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 months ago

dude, we should have gotten to 0 emissions yesterday to prevent global ecological collapse. Any year in which we keep emitting at this rate, it's millions of preventable deaths in the years to come.

What is happening is that any renewable development slightly lowers the price of energy and so energy consumption increases, because there are no meaningful degrowth policies in place. This is a complete failure for the ideology of transition and for humankind as a whole.

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Except there is the same amount of Earth that was before & even less biodiversity & (wild) biomass.

Any increase in environment effects like that (even a local level) by a single species would be considered an infestation.

[-] Steve@startrek.website 1 points 9 months ago

You sure can make the case that humans are an invasive species, but the fact is that we are the overwhelmingly dominant species on this planet, so it is what it is.

[-] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago

There's a lower limit of 20 quadrillion ants on earth, so I'd say their species(es) are dominating us. Don't even get me started on bacteria, they're just puppeting us for their own benefit. I think even chickens are like 3:1 with humans.

Maybe by technology though, we definitely have the best cars, guns and microplastic.

[-] Steve@startrek.website 4 points 9 months ago

I’m judging dominance by influence, not numbers.

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

No, every other animal, bacteria, fungi, plans, aliens that visited earth, have microplastics in them as well. It will probably remain a forever mystery how it all got everywhere.

The current planetary events will be marked by a distinctive line of plastics in the sediment rock (the 'F-U boundary' as the future crab historians will be calling it).

[-] Nudding@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Hopefully we fuck it enough to permanently delete us. It will take millions of years, but the biosphere will recover eventually.

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

Yes, but dominant (especially "intelligent") does not need to mean destructive. Nor to multiply beyond sustainable levels (ie until we hit hard walls, at the end of the current extinction event).

[-] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

The pirate example would be more accurate if there was a static, critical number of pirates that the world could handle before triggering a global catastrophic event. (I guess maybe that's technically already true?)

Global temperatures aren't going to reduce because we're putting 'proportionally less' CO2 into the atmosphere.

[-] kbal@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 9 months ago

It's kind of like arguing that there are more pirates today than there were 400 years ago. Yes, technically correct

citation needed

[-] poVoq@slrpnk.net 11 points 9 months ago

The article is oversimplifying it by looking at global data. When looking at data from individual countries there have been some energy transitions, so it is not like it is impossible to do. But yeah, the point of the article isn't complete non-sense.

[-] chobeat@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago

the transition in post-industrial countries happens because they can consume industrial goods produced in other countries that are not transitioning. It's the same trick they use to make you believe plastic is recyclable.

[-] sonori@beehaw.org 1 points 9 months ago

Except that the primary limiter on the rate at which the poorer countries are transitioning is a lack of capital with which to build new cheaper renewables in a country scale example of it being expensive to be poor. Building local industrial goods is giving them the capital necessary to build renewables, it’s just lagging because Fossil companies are putting huge amounts of capital into slowing it.

[-] chobeat@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

This logic totally makes sense in the world of university economy books, or international cooperation, but it's still going to kill most people on the planet.

[-] Nudding@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Unfortunately, we are a global society.

[-] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

As a german guy I was confused about the article for a second. As its possible to see less coal usage because of solar and wind on day

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