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I know I'm not in trouble, but I do feel bad that I'm probably the reason blahaj.zone will defederate with hexbear. I just thought they had an insane take on what hexbear was and posted it in the_dunk_tank. I included a link because I am not a LIB

but also I am a LIB and so are all of you and I'm sorry for that as well.

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[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

All this federation/defederation drama is nothing but bad faith. Our emotes are too big, bRiGadInG, wishing death to the people of NATO, blah blah blah. Let me ask a question. Why do all these instances that had already defed from lemmygrad chose, for a time, to federate with us despite us being far more active with giant emotes and so on?

It has nothing to do with giant emotes and everything to do with ideology. Lemmygrad's explicit ideology is ML, meaning there's little harm in an instance that doesn't subscribe to ML defedding the instance. "We are X while they are Y, so we are defedding from them due to ideological differences." But Hexbear's party line is left unity, meaning there's a place here for everyone who professes a form of leftism with the caveat that they aren't patsocs or anarcho-Bidenists. They can't openly defed from us due to ideological differences because as liberals, they fancy themselves as part of the left, meaning it would be strange if a so-called progressive instance would defed from a left unity instance due to ideological differences. This is open admittance that they are not actually part of the left. We know that libs are not and will never be part of the left, and they cannot cope with that.

So what happens? They federate with Hexbear for a time, fishing for a nonideological reason to defed from us. This is where the crying about giant emotes comes from. Do you think they would actually care about those giant emotes, a technical issue that would be eventually solved, if we had the same exact ideology as them? Do you think they would actually care about brigading^TM^ if we were just some quirky instance that mostly talks about fish and other sea animals?

This is the same exact energy as a supervisor who writes you up because you were 5 seconds late. If you're cool with your supervisor, you could be half an hour late. If you're not cool with your supervisor, you would be written up even if you were already in the office before your shift but your ass isn't in your assigned seat at your exact shift.

[-] TacoGyrosKebabShwama@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

This. They are just itching for an excuse. Comes off real strong "no politics in my video games" emergy.

[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

lol, i saw that. they were describing this place as an alt right instance and believed our pronouns were all ironic.

definitely feeds into the trope that liberals are baffled by positions outside the window of their indoctrination and the first impulse of many is to try to cram into one of the two slots that exist in their worldview.

"post-colonial theory"
is-this
"is this right wing propaganda?"

[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago

I’ve been arguing with a user on .world about how hexbear is not transphobic and the pronouns aren’t “blatant mockery of trans people”. When I told them they were wrong, they said hexbear is “typical online terrorists”, putting the pronouns then going around posting “racist, bigoted” stuff. I’m waiting for proof of such posts. 😋

[-] macabrett@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

I keep hearing the "racist bigoted" line and I just don't get it. Hexbear is the most strict online community I've been in when it comes to that sort of thing. Our users are open and welcoming, our mods are lethal.

[-] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Some of them a lying. Some of them think "anglos" or lmayo are racism against whitey. I'm surprised we haven't had our burning flag emojis as evidence of anti-Swiss swiss-cool bigotry or whatever.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I think it is just the that upsets them so much.

Libs have very thin skin after all, easy to scratch.

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I keep hearing the “racist bigoted” line and I just don’t get it

it's literally just because we call white people crackers lol

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[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

Yea, I’m not sure where it’s coming from because I haven’t seen it. I also linked to the Hexbear code of conduct and highlighted the first two rules.

Tbh, I was not sure about Hexbear when federation started, but I never got the impression that anyone was bigoted or racist. Like there’s literally all the pride hexbear icons, right?

I feel like these comments are either intentionally malicious or intentionally ignorant assumptions.

[-] macabrett@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

We love our LGBTQ+ comrades over here!

hexbear-pride blahaj gayroller-2000 gator-bi trans-uno sappho biderman ace-heart cissues crazy-frog-trans hexbear-gay-pride hexbear-demisexual hexbear-bi hexbear-genderfluid hexbear-genderqueer hexbear-intersex hexbear-lesbian hexbear-non-binary hexbear-pan hexbear-trans trans-egg trans-hammer-sickle trans-hatch trans-heart transshork-happy transshork-sad thonk-trans trans-dagger trans-gun trans-sad trans-specter boykisser "

[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

I saw that (gay?) cat on Place! Where’s it from?

[-] macabrett@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

I honestly don't know, but you might be able to ask the person who requested it here https://hexbear.net/post/344477

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I think it's the inverse of conservatives who believe they aren't racist while doing, saying, and believing racist things. They were provided a liberal (in the classical ideological sense) education that told them racism is bad but didn't delve too deeply into self criticism. So now conservatives and liberals know racism is bad, but not really how to understand or identify it. So you get conservatives who steadfastly believe they aren't racist because they don't think they're bad, and liberals who label things they don't like as racist because it's one of the most bad things they can think of.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I agree, it seems like a lot of liberals have the attitude of "I can't be racist, because I'm not

But they still have the attitude that racism is an individual problem, "A few bad apples" rather than a systemic one. So when they see individuals here doing they conclude that those people must be racist against whites.

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

It's possible they're one of those vaush-brained clowns who genuinely believe that "anti-white racism" is a real problem, and they saw one of us making a joke about "crackers" or whatever lol

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[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

our userbase is like 1/3 trans jesse-wtf

[-] macabrett@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

They took issue specifically with "Death to NATO" and when people explained that meant the dismantling of NATO, they changed it to "Death to People of NATO" which isn't even a thing!

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

At that point, they're just operating in bad faith. If they insist on not sitting in the cool kids' table, that's on them. We shouldn't waste any more time in coddling their feelings.

[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

this is Natonian erasure.

[-] Zrc@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

lol, they could at least come up with an actual reason about muh authoritarian tankies instead of straight up lying

[-] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've told you all once, I've told you all a thousand times, "don't post". And what do you all go and do? Ya post. Who'd have thought bad things would happen? I swear.

[-] mar_k@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Update: we're probably not defederating anymore

They have a new post debating defederation, posted in their meta community which only shows posts to blajah users (which I kinda feel like they should've been done in the first place if they wanted a private discussion). Anyways, users in that thread are split about defedding but it seems like ada changed their mind about it since our admins updated some rules.

[-] beef_curds@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Blahaj was always going to defed us. From the beginning they were more committed to the red scare stuff than even /r/196 was.

i mentioned this wayyy back in my comment history, but am too lazy to dig it up.

don't sweat it if you end up being the excuse for them. This was all predetermined.

[-] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's weird because I seen some Blahaj users who seem to be pretty alright.

[-] beef_curds@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

They are. People here shit on them and the 196ers, but there are some genuinely good and funny people there. The shitposty culture is pretty compatible with hexbear.

It's more of a mod culture thing where they allow constant posts about routing out the red menace, but when you speak up and mention that kind of posting is meant to break movements, you're a "tankie."

I just hope, over time, the funny people will start to get sick of the tankie paranoia, and come chill in our cozy unity space.

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[-] abc@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

"NOO, PEOPLE ARE COMMENTING ON MY PUBLIC COMMENT ON MY PUBLIC INSTANCE?? NOOOO 👿 DON'T TAG ME EVER AGAIN HOW DARE YOU BRIGADE MY PUBLIC COMMENT I AM A MODERATOR AND WILL BE TREATED WITH RESPECT."

this is how I, a sane person, see this 'incident' or whatever you wanna call it. you should not feel sorry or otherwise for sharing their comment lol.

[-] usa_suxxx@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Your posting is too powerful. They had to change the rules to contain you. The macabrett rule.

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[-] adultswim_antifa@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty frustrated that the admin of the instance thinks we're brigading. An admin should know that we're getting their posts in our feed because we're federated. We are just a big instance and we overwhelm the level of activity they're used to seeing when it comes into our feed.

I am wondering if lemmy sorts content in a way that's causing this situation though. Maybe it considers a post more interesting if it gets more activity than a typical post on their instance. So as soon as it appears on hexbear, the score on the post goes way way up and it gets pinned on hexbear for a long time.

[-] YearOfTheCommieDesktop@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

She sees any dunk tank post of content on their instances as inherently brigading, is my interpretation

But I queried the API, before the dunk tank post went up the comments on that post were already 1/3 hexbear users. Now its about half. So while it probably had an impact it wasn't like nobody here was going to see the original post, regardless of it containing bad takes that got it featured in the dunk tank

Though honestly I'm fine with, and actually would suggest

  1. not posting at all in meta discussions on other servers, at least until lemmy implements the ability to have local-only comms, which I think we would also appreciate here, and

  2. not linking to dunk tank content on federated servers. If it comes up in people's feed it's fair game, and if people want to tear their arguments to shreds in the dunk tank, fair game, but we don't need to encourage actual brigading by providing a direct link, as a show of mutual respect for instances we fed with.

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And yes, lemmy's dogshit Active algorithm is a struggle session factory, it's truly bad.

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