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I head up a small community for fans of a niche indie brand. The founder is doing an event in Japan with an exclusive item for people who attend! I was so excited and was looking into booking a plane ticket to go!

However.. turns out that Japan has a law that absolutely forbids stimulant medication in the country. And, no, I don't really want to upend my regimen of 8 years and risk going on a new medication for the trip.

I'm really shattered, as I wanted to attend this cool event and meet up with other enthusiasts. It really hurts to be barred from an opportunity like this.

I hate ADHD. I really do.

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[-] frogfruit@slrpnk.net 87 points 9 months ago

Intuniv, Strattera, Concerta, and Vyvanse can be prescribed for ADHD in Japan. Ritalin is also available but not for ADHD, though travelers can bring a maximum of 2.16g of methylphenidate. Other stimulants such as Adderall are not allowed.

https://interacnetwork.com/navigating-stimulant-therapy-for-adult-adhd-in-japan-regulations-and-considerations/

Most doctors would be willing to prescribe a different medication for the duration of your trip. It of course won't be ideal, but it would be a temporary hiccup that might be worth it considering you seem to be really excited for the trip.

[-] RedSeries@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

Op mentioned they do not want different medication for the trip though.

And, no, I don't really want to upend my regimen of 8 years and risk going on a new medication for the trip.

[-] frogfruit@slrpnk.net 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I did read that which is why I noted in my comment that I realize it won't be ideal but may be worth reconsidering for the opportunity. I also wanted to provide some more complete information for the people in the comments who were gleaning false conclusions from misleading information.

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[-] dipshit@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

OP: I hear you on not trying different meds, but one of these things is barely different from adderall (still very much a stimulant). Vyvanse is basically adderall xl, just in prodrug form. Apparently other commentors say it is allowed in japan. Prodrug just means that an enzyme plus the drug means your body creates the basically the same exact drug as adderall when ingested. If vyvanse is allowed but adderall is not that’s strange although one of vyvanse’s strengths is that it can’t be snorted, which might make some nations feel better about the drug’s potential for abuse, since it must be ingested to work.

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[-] twinnie@feddit.uk 56 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Japan seems like such a cool place but it seems to have so many problems. Sexism and racism, everyone’s a workaholic, and war crime denial. My work has offices over there and I’ve been told that if you can get a transfer there you need to understand that you’ll only ever hang out with other westerners because the culture is impenetrable. Just hearsay of course, not personal experience.

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 30 points 9 months ago

Don't forget that their porn is blurry. Such a travesty.

[-] InfiniteStruggle@sh.itjust.works 12 points 9 months ago

Wait what the fuck? I thought that's just what japanese genitals (and sometimes faces) looked like?

[-] fireweed@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago

I’ve been told that if you can get a transfer there you need to understand that you’ll only ever hang out with other westerners because the culture is impenetrable.

I've lived in Japan and that's completely untrue. Sure lots of westerners have this experience, but it's usually for one of three reasons:

  1. Language barrier: if you don't speak Japanese, obviously you're not going to fully integrate. However English is a required subject in schools, and while many Japanese are hesitant to speak it (mostly out of embarrassment over mistakes) there are plenty who are eager to utilize what they've learned. And this doesn't even include Japanese who've lived abroad and are properly fluent and comfortable in the language (there aren't many, but they certainly exist). Learning even a little Japanese and appearing to make an effort will also open a lot of doors.

  2. Self-segregation: It's easy to fall into this one, especially because of point 1. But if you make an effort to make friends with people who are Japanese, they'll introduce you to their friend group. This works best if your co-workers are mixed westerners and English-speaking Japanese, but with some searching you should be able to find mixed socialization opportunities outside of work too. Plus there are non-Western communities in Japan too: folks from other Asian or Latin American countries who also feel like outsiders. Of the foreigner friends I had in Japan, almost none were American (and almost none were native English speakers, although they were all fluent or close to it). Taking Japanese language classes is a great way to meet these folks, but each school is going to be very different in their demographic populations so be choosey and avoid any that seem too homogenous (eg all Chinese students).

  3. Expectations: Japanese social culture is very different. It's easy to make acquaintances and hard to make friends. And yes, even if you speak Japanese fluently as a foreigner you will find it more difficult to make friends with the average Japanese person. However you have two strengths you need to utilize: curiosity and otherness. As long as you appear approachable, strangers will sporadically come up to you and talk with you out of curiosity. Sometimes the socialization ends there, and that's fine. But look for the outsiders: Japanese people who don't feel like they fit into Japanese society. I found that there were a good number of English-speaking Japanese who wanted to be my friend because they struggled to make friends with other Japanese. Some of them were socially awkward or autistic, some had lived abroad, and some seemed totally normal. The good news is you probably have a lot in common, even if it's superficial like enjoying the same Western culture (TV shows, etc; think reverse-weeabo), but it's enough for the foundation of a friendship. However you'll need to accept that you're now a member of a misfits social group, because you're yourself a stranger in a strange land!

So in conclusion, it's very easy to fall into the only-socializing-with-Westerners trap, but it's certainly not inevitable. It takes conscious effort to avoid, but is completely feasible, especially for someone who has interest in Japan/Japanese culture/Japanese language.

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[-] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)
[-] frogfruit@slrpnk.net 9 points 9 months ago

Ritalin is also allowed

[-] thorbot@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Vyvanse is so much better for me personally. But it's expensive af

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[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 24 points 9 months ago

OP, don't hate the ADHD. Hate the Japanese law. That is a stupid law.

[-] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

I went to Tokyo 6 months ago and took a bottle of Vyvanse with me.

You need to clear it with the authorities before you head over. You'll need your doctor to write a letter. It can be done though.

... Or just get hooked on $1.50 cans of coffee boss instead.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago

Wow, so...they just don't treat ADHD over there?

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Of course they do. They just don't allow Adderall because it contains amphetamine.

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[-] VictorPrincipum@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago

Which is ironic since the original Vyvanse manufacturer, Takeda pharmaceuticals, is based in Tokyo.

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 15 points 9 months ago

Apparently Vyvanse is the only one that's allowed. Sounds like regulatory capture to me.

[-] frogfruit@slrpnk.net 8 points 9 months ago

Ritalin/Concerta is also allowed.

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

Oh shit. Guess I'm allowed in Japan after all.

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[-] kebabslob@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 9 months ago

Just play Yakuza as a sort of stand in /j

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago

Yakuza and also Okami

[-] Starayo@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Yeah, I'm lucky enough that mine is only really debilitating for study so I didn't have an issue not taking my meds for the trip. Really feel for you. :(

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