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[-] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 105 points 9 months ago

"I know I am in the right so I hold my head high knowing their day is coming"

This right here seems to be the biggest problem with conspiracy and conservative types, the unfailing certainty of their righteousness, this seems to be why you can't reason with them, and if you tie in their religion then they start with their surety that "God" is on their side.

Maybe if they had the strength of character to deal with their self-doubts rather than bolstering their infallibility by dismissing their doubts as weaknesses, maybe we could get somewhere with these people.

[-] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago

It's almost impossible to reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into. Conspiracy theories hold allure for some people because it gives them some sense that the world actually does make sense, but only people who know what to see can truly understand. The scary part is that these are usually otherwise intelligent people.

I personally see this whole "sovereign citizen" garbage as the next "logical" step in their delusions. They're asserting "control" over their situations, or so they've convinced themselves.

[-] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago

One of the smartest, nicest guys I thought I knew was a former NASA avionics systems engineer, his office walls held a bunch of patents from things this guy had designed over the years, I was okay with the conspiracy side of him, we could relate and bs about that stuff, but when he voted for Trump and began with the MAGA bs I couldn't deal with him anymore. So yeah, I agree completely, there are some really smart intelligent people getting sucked into this stuff and how do you tell someone that not only thinks they're smarter than you, but also you think they're smarter than you, that they're wrong, seems like an impossible task.

[-] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 17 points 9 months ago

In my experience, especially engineers are very likely to be sucked into this. More especiallier, retired engineers.

Engineers are basically taught, that a) the entire world is a clock waiting to be understood and b) they are the smartest persons in most rooms, which makes them the only ones who are capable of understanding the clock.

Their entire life is solving problems which are clear cause/effect relationships, and most importantly: solvable by them. So they start to think exactly like that. And if you look into the internal logic of conspiracies, it's always clear cause and effect. Things don't "just happen", they always have someone responsible.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago

You need to know enough about the subject to ask them questions. Questions are irresistible to smart people. Learn about the subject to know why they're wrong.

Ask, "if you were in a burning hospital which would you save first: the babies or the refrigerator full of embryos?"

Honestly, just be confident in your opinions. Know why you believe what you do. Many people don't. They just have things they want to believe.

[-] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago

I know so many people like this. It boggles my mind.

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 9 points 9 months ago

The ones that come to their senses would be pretty quiet about it, to be fair. We likely wouldn't hear from them.

[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 76 points 9 months ago

Fucker has kids who are homeless now because of this shit.

[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

The kids will learn what's right and wrong by what happens to their parents. It's pretty certain the kids will either never live this way or die trying.

[-] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 75 points 9 months ago

Sad thing is that a lot of these sovcit type people are actually willing to stand up against crazy odds, be put in jail, and all sorts of things to stand up for what they see as right.

If only they were standing up for something real, they would be valued and brave members of the cause. It's just a shame they shackled themselves to this insanity.

[-] ashok36@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

Their cause is "I don't want to pay taxes."

They're inherently selfish people going to the absurd but logical conclusion that anti-tax selfishness gets you. Fuck em.

[-] PutangInaMo@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

It is real though, it just doesn't fall within what the majority choose to believe.

It's like the word heretic. The same word with the exact same meaning said by 2 opposing parties has 2 distinct outcomes.

[-] Salvo@aussie.zone 47 points 9 months ago

The movers were right that they should “slap whoever told” them “that BS”. They were giving them some great advice.

[-] thefartographer@lemm.ee 46 points 9 months ago

Wait, the lowest levels of the deep state is a moving company?

Also, shame on them for embarrassing the closet neighbors!

[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

Uhaul is a Rothschild conspiracy don't you know.

[-] Tristaniopsis@aussie.zone 8 points 9 months ago

(((Uhaul)))

[-] Davel23@kbin.social 33 points 9 months ago

"Closet neighbors"

Yeah, if I was neighbors with this guy I wouldn't want anyone to know either.

[-] thefartographer@lemm.ee 26 points 9 months ago

When I was a kid, our closet neighbor was Uncle Ron. My dad said he was imaginary, but I'm pretty sure he was real cuz he had a motorcycle named Mustache that he and my mom would ride around the neighborhood after they'd give me $20 to go see a movie. One time, my mom got so hot that she passed out and that's why Uncle Ron was saving her life when I walked into the room.

[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Your Uncle Ron was an American Hero, son. I'm sure he saved many a mom in his day.

[-] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago

The only thing more odd than all of this is people not living in the US but believing in US craziness and using their slogans.

[-] Wrench@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago

Nothing quite like seeing Trump Won and confederate flags being waved in Canada. Special kind of stupid.

[-] TheFriar@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago

The Canada will riiiise again!

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 8 points 9 months ago

My favourite are the combos. A pickup truck with a confederate battle flag AND Tupac on it for example.

[-] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Apparently there are people down in Australia that support him.

[-] JakenVeina@lemm.ee 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Dude's got a bit of a point, if his description is accurate. Being paid to evict people does not give you the right to treat those people like trash, no matter how batshit self-righteous they are.

Of course, he could just be making that all up.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

Most likely making all of this up. Throwing a cease and desist order in the face? Sounds like the guy boredly showing him a paper that "lets them do this". I'd bet my right hand, that they got angry at the people evicting them, yelled etc, as would be "normal" for a situation like this

[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Eviction is a very specific process. There are no appeals at that point. Telling the movers shit doesn't matter.

The evictee by law, needs to stand aside. They were most likely interfering with them.

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

Gesara huh?

Nice to know that they're openly announcing that they're nazis.

[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago

Sovcits have their roots in white supremacists so not really a shock even though a lot of them are black.

[-] TheFriar@lemm.ee 22 points 9 months ago

What even is Gesara?

[-] kometes@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Global Economic Security and Reformation Act

[-] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 13 points 9 months ago

That one is new to me.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

What's the backstory on this? It sounds hilarious, like dude agreed to pay the movers and once they loaded up he tossed in some "it's my right not to pay you, so here take this flyer on how you can free yourself from gov. Issued currency."

[-] TheFriar@lemm.ee 33 points 9 months ago

It sounds more like they were getting evicted because they kept sending “coupons” instead of money for their debts, they ignored the repeated notices that their piece of paper they printed off is meaningless, and when they were evicted and their home was being repossessed, they tried a different piece of paper that they are calling a “cease and desist,” which, in reality was probably just a piece of printer paper with the words “cease and desist.” Or, knowing sovcits, it probably had a bunch of fake magic legalese that they imagined would stop the movers, even though they had nothing to do with their eviction and were just working folk.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

The cease and desist sounds like was against them, and they shown him as a "dude let us do our job", and were met with "royal decrees"?

[-] TheFriar@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

lol syntax and clarity are not sovcits’ strong points. Either are possible. I read it as “my cease and desist I tried to serve them with they threw back in my face and refused to comply”

But yeah, “dude let us do our job” is definitely what the movers were thinking and probably saying. Royal decrees…I’m sure it’s “queen Romania’s” nonsense

[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

Queen Romana of Canada is the story! She led her followers to believe this stuff works.

In case you weren't familiar: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/queen-of-canada-romana-didulo-followers-leave-village-1.7032439

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Ok that's hilarious, they left because basically they're so dumb that they had a heater propped up on a propane tank and wouldn't let in the fire Marshal ROFL. This shit is like the best comedy writing you can't make up.

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