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The NWT government and city of Yellowknife are describing in tweets, Instagram messages etc. how to search key evacuation information on CPAC and CBC. The broadcast carriers have a duty to carry emergency information, but Meta and X are blocking links.

While internet access is reportedly limited in Yellowknife, residents are finding this a barrier to getting current and accurate information. Even links to CBC radio are blocked.

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[-] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Can the Canadian government please just have an official platform for sharing this kind of information? Why are evacuation notices going on Facebook???

[-] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 22 points 1 year ago

They do have these platforms, but many people have become dependent on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter to link to information.

So the territorial government is literally posting on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter telling people how to search for CPAC Canada and CBC Radio so they can find the sites.

Compare that to the duty of all broadcasters in a public emergency to carry the key evacuation information on radio and television and tell people where to get more detailed emergency instructions.

[-] girlfreddy@mastodon.social 7 points 1 year ago

@StillPaisleyCat @ImplyingImplications

It's not a dependence in an addictive way. It's in a community way, where all news is shared on community pages for the benefit of the community because they rely on each other for survival every day.

[-] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 13 points 1 year ago

Agreed. But this is a societal dependence.

Too many clubs, churches and communities organizations, and small businesses found Facebook easier to maintain than websites, so many people became dependent on that platform.

The challenge is that governments have a duty to meet their constituents where they are, especially in emergencies. So they send out Tweets, ‘grams and posts directing people to the information on official sites.

Before the Internet, people would turn on their radios or televisions. That’s why in most jurisdictions (including the United States) broadcasters and cable carriers MUST carry emergency broadcasts, superceding regular programming. The wave of climate-related emergencies raise the question of whether internet aggregator platforms should be required to do the same.

As an aside, governments and public new sources maintain websites that are accessible. Due to a Canadian Supreme Court decision requiring government platforms to be accessible to persons with disabilities, Canadian new sites have user interfaces that are adaptive.

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[-] library_napper 8 points 1 year ago

The point is that these alerts need to he on sites that people actually check.

I dont wake up every morning and scroll through the government's PSA website. I do wake up and scroll my Lemmy news communities.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I get texts all the time for amber alerts that I can rarely assist with, why can't an emergency message be sent over the same system?

CBC provides service in the north in numerous Indigenous languages, including through its Facebook pages which many in those communities rely on.

As a public broadcaster it has a duty to meet the needs of Canadians for essential information where they look not just in English and French on standard internet sites, or even their low bandwidth emergency ones.

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[-] muninn@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago
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[-] FreeBooteR69@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Honestly Canada should join the Fediverse en mass, depending on shitty proprietary and predatory social media is a weak point for our democracy.

[-] EhForumUser@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Canada should join the Fediverse en mass

We've had NNTP since the 1980s. What does the Fediverse offer Canadians that they didn't already have offered to them with NNTP? There is probably a good reason why they don't accept these distributed social networks en-mass.

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[-] xfint@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"More than ever, this kind of dangerous situation shows how having more access to trustworthy and reliable information and news is vital for so many of our communities to be informed about the current emergency."

Facebook isn't trustworthy. Tech bros can't be trusted.

It's not like the internet has been removed. Social media isn't the internet. News sites are still accessible. As is the whole internet. People need to get their head out of their asses already. This problem is farcical. Life threatening situation, 'oh no my facebook is broken what will I do?!?11'. How did we even get to this point. The internet circa 90s and early 2000s is laughing their asses off at all this. PEBKAC.

[-] Tired8281@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Did they offer to let them carry the links for free? Or are they using an emergency to demand a payday?

[-] Guns4Gnus@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Love how FB gets to charge for bots to scrape their content, while they scrape everyone elses content for free.

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[-] Hakaku@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

CBC is grasping at straws trying to put the blame on Facebook for the very bill they pushed through, that had very predictable consequences. Canadians news publishers have no one to blame for this but themselves.

The article basically reads as though they're upset for not being paid by Meta during emergencies and sad they can't profit as much off people glued to watching emergencies (it's absolutely not because they're truly concerned for the actual ppl facing the emergency). It's quite tasteless for them to pull the misinformation card when news publishers aren't always known to spread accurate or helpful information -- they're mostly there for the fear mongering. And Meta's response on that front is the correct one: they're not blocking government sites and government sites should be considered the sources of truth and information during emergencies.

That said, unrelated to news link sharing, there's a larger discussion to be had around emergency broadcasts over the internet: should the government create legislation to have an emergency notification tool in place that can be triggered on Canadian websites and websites catering to Canadians (social media included)? Many institutions, including universities, have their own systems for doing exactly this so why can't the government?

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Facebook's response was petulant and childish. This is not Canada's fault any more than it was the fault of other countries who enacted the same regs.

Oh. You didn't know there were others?

[-] Hakaku@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

There's only one country with even a remotely similar legislation, that being Australia. Facebook got the amendments it wanted before the Australian Code received royal assent.

If you're going to cry foul about how Facebook is following the legislation Canada is putting in place, you'll need to try harder than that.

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[-] festus@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Should they? Not if we punish them with fees for linking. I mean, imagine you're trying to warn your neighbours about an approaching fire and a police officer pulls up to tell you that you'll have to pay $50 for each neighbour you warn. I wouldn't blame you if you stopped, I'd blame whatever law stopped you. Similarly here, I don't blame Meta for not linking but I blame the government that will penalize Meta the moment any link points to a news outlet, emergency or not.

[-] ram@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is a bad take. I'm blaming Facebook for deciding they'd rather not have news than share the money they make off it with the people who need to be paid to make it.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

While paying 0$ in taxes on the profit they make off of Canadians, don't forget to add that part!

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[-] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

A fundamental question of the 21st century is, as internet media company replace legacy media companies, do they have the same responsibilities? Legacy media companies have the advantage they get to use a very limited piece of Canadian real-estate, that is the airwaves, and so the Government is in a good position to say "well if we're letting you use our airwaves, we need you to do something for us" and this includes CanCon, emergency broadcast, etc.

But now those "airwaves" are becoming increasingly abandoned and everything is digital and going over wires, wifi, and cellular to the international internet. But the above thing about "broadcast" was always a hack. It was a workaround for the fact that basically we need the loudest voices in Canada to also help Canada out.

And now we've lost that justification, but we still have the need.

Imho, the justification was always BS. If you have a massive media-org with a giant-ass megaphone in Canada, you've got responsibilities. I don't care if you're a website or a news channel or a dead tree paper.

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[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Evacuees from the devastating blazes threatening Yellowknife say the ongoing fight between Meta, the owner of Facebook, and Canada's federal government over who should pay for news has made it harder to spread life-saving information about the wildfires in the Northwest Territories.

Poitras says it's bad enough having to handle the logistics of getting out in a hurry and worrying about what might happen to her home town while she's gone, but the situation has been made worse by the ongoing fight between Big Tech and the Canadian government over who should pay for news.

The debate over Bill C-18, known as the Online News Act, may be an academic one in many parts of Canada, but not in the North, where people are dealing with an unfolding natural disaster while suddenly being unable to use one of the most popular communication platforms to share information about wildfire locations and evacuation plans.

A live news conference covered by Cabin Radio and CBC on Wednesday evening announced the evacuation of Yellowknife, but it wasn't shareable on Facebook, prompting users like Poitras and others to try to get around the block by posting screengrabs of information instead of direct links.

"People in Canada are able to use Facebook and Instagram to connect to their communities and access reputable information, including content from official government agencies, emergency services and non-governmental organisations," said Meta spokesperson David Troya-Alvarez.

She says the world is watching the Canadian dispute closely, as numerous other jurisdictions have similar laws planned, and Meta has clearly "decided to use Canada as a bit of a test population to try this out and see how far they can force the government to go before perhaps keeping or coming to the bargaining table.


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