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[-] seahorse@midwest.social 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Whenever someone posts a meme like this all the "vote harder" people come out of the woodwork to get mad at the OP. I've never told people not to vote, but I do 1000% believe that voting is the absolute least you can do to progress society.

Edit: don't bother reporting OP for this meme because I'm not gonna take it down.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 21 points 9 months ago

Same. I've literally said I'd vote for Biden, but I still get accused of supporting Trump by conservative and centrist Democrats. They're willing to hand-wave atrocities for the sake of a campaign. I'm not willing to overlook the suffering caused by our current administration, nor to deflect blame onto others.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Though I have pushed back against the idea of sitting out this presidential election or voting 3rd party I am 100% on board with your approach. Definitely call out this sickening support of genocide, protest, write letters, and whatever else one can do. Longer term, also work on getting something better than first past the post and this stupid electrical college BS. And come Nov, don't let Trump in.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 8 points 9 months ago

I'm only voting for Biden if we're actually allowed to put him on blast for his atrocities. It's appalling how cultlike and defensive the Dems have become.

[-] Maeve@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

What are you trying to say, the abyss is staring back at voters?

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[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 14 points 9 months ago

Easier to get mad at OP than it is to challenge their own views, biases, and insistence on wilful ignorance.. ¯\(ツ)

[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago

Gigachad behaviour

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[-] exocrinous@lemm.ee 19 points 9 months ago

This is a fallacy. You find one area in which the two presidents are the same, and you extrapolate that into saying they're exactly the same in all areas. It's not a bad faith attack or trolling. It's just the result of someone whose thoughts are too simple to grasp the fact that people are similar in some ways and different in other ways. It's the thought process of someone who just doesn't get nuance.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 4 points 9 months ago

you extrapolate that into saying they're exactly the same in all areas

Except I'm not doing this at all. You are a fool arguing with a strawperson.

[-] exocrinous@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago

Okay, well if we agree that Biden and Trump are different in other areas, then what is even the point of this comic?

Let's imagine that Anna and Peter are competing for the Vancouver regional tapdancing championship. They both had really good performances, and now the judges have to make a decision. Is Anna's flawless execution of traditional tap integrated with the forgotten styles of the past worthy of winning, or does Peter's bold new interpretation of an electronic tap genre deserve to take the gold?

No matter who the judges pick to win the regional tap championship, people in the middle east will still be bombed by US drones. Are you going to make a comic about how the tap championship is meaningless because it won't make a difference in the middle east?

[-] exocrinous@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The tap contest is like the US election because, as you argue, they both have no bearing on outcomes in the middle east. Therefore, they're irrelevant. If a tap contest won't change the situation in the middle east, don't make comics complaining about the tap contest's effect on the middle east. If an election won't change the situation in the middle east, don't make comics complaining about the election's effect on the middle east. It's not relevant to the discussion. It should be relevant, I agree with you there, but as you point out, this election it simply isn't. If we want to improve the situation in the middle east, we need to do more direct action ourselves, not vote for it. So stop bringing voting into the conversation about the middle east.

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[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 16 points 9 months ago

This is the most successful republican presidency since George Bush and you want to throw it all away for the republicans to win. We've declared war on the entire middle east, we're doing the most egregious genocide since the holocaust, we declared SARS-CoV over and the economy fixed purely through the power of pretending. We're this close to enacting the entire republican border policy, if only the republicans would vote for it but they won't tie that to funding our genocide or our Nazi Mujaheddin currently replaying how the Nazis lost WW2. We need to enshrine our fossil fuel production and expand it wherever we can, to put a right-wing Christian man in charge of handling abortion rights, and to ensure a senile husk is in charge of every major decision for however long he lives into his term. That's the only way Kamala Harris can run unopposed as an incumbent president in 2028 to save democracy.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 17 points 9 months ago

We’re this close to enacting the entire republican border policy

Except it looks like the border policy is shared by both parties. More people are being imprisoned and deported under Biden than were under Trump, but anyone with a modicum of empathy is told to stfu for the sake of a campaign.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 9 months ago

Yeah but all those student loans have been forgiven!... By laws that should have done that years ago

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 5 points 9 months ago

And means-tested to a point of absurdity that's on par with Kamala Harris saying you deserved student loan forgiveness if you're a pell grant recipient who runs a business in a ghetto for three years. It's like them inventing new kinds of mathematics to explain why your COVID stimulus payment is actually what you were supposed to get instead of what your lying tankie eyes see. Liberals are smiling foxes.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 16 points 9 months ago

Ruh roh, looks like I'm a rUsSiAn BoT because I criticized our genocidal president ¯\_(⊙︿⊙)_/¯

Arming a genocidal regime and imprisoning and murdering innocent refugees at the southern border is just normal after all, and I just need to be rEaLiStIc becuase it's so hard simply not to commit multiple human rights violations

[-] pete@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Definitely, and what's your thought on the guys from cpac saying they want to end democracy and jan 6th was a good first try?

Those present and agreeing including members of the last cabinet.

It's all the same.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 7 points 9 months ago

End which democracy? We don't have a democracy if my only choice is deciding between two genocidal maniacs

[-] young_broccoli@kbin.social 12 points 9 months ago

And the electoral college can overrule your vote.

I believe so called democracies around the world are a farce but the US' "democracy" is so shameless about how they do it that Im surprised most people doesnt seem to realize.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 9 points 9 months ago

It's a horrible system, yeah. When people tell me I "have no choice" but to vote for a candidate like Biden, I don't think they have a shred of self awareness. They're basically admitting that this is a blatantly undemocratic system. I start to think that they just don't really care about using people like immigrants or Palestinians as political pawns, and then it makes me feel like maybe the entire human race is simply awful.

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[-] ryegye24@midwest.social 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Collateral damage from drone strikes went up 800% under Trump before his admin stopped reporting that data

[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago

Lmao I don't think anyone's arguing that trump isn't a shithead.

Point is both are genocidal imperialist parties. The US political system only exists to protect capital and imperialism after all, since its government has been the de facto leader of the imperial core since WW2.

[-] lemmylem@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Why the fuck are these people our only two choices? Like can we just stop with the lesser evil bullshit and just pick other people?

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[-] culpritus@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago

vote for Bernie in the 2020 Dem primary

vote for Biden in 2020 because :vote: Blue No Matter Who

vote Geriatric Genocide Joe in 2024 because :vote: Blue No Matter Genocide

amerikkka amerikkka-clap

truly the land of democracy

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