In my experience dealing with these sorts of people trying to to justify this argument, it's a combination of:

1. These are not supposed to be permanent jobs for anyone, i.e. only high school and college students should work them.

2. These are jobs that should be worked by >!non-white!< people who are comfortable with lower standards of living.

3. You should work a second job to supplement your income if you aren't earning enough.

For #1, they believe that because they (or people they know) treated lower paying jobs as a foot in the door/stepping stone at a time in their lives where they had a social safety net looking out for them, then everyone else can do that, too.

For #2, they believe that there are people who don't need to live well and are okay with that. Typically this comes down to racial distinctions and the idea that non-whites must love poverty because so many of them live in it.

For #3, they'll dig up some anecdote about some random family member in the past who used to work two jobs where they had to walk uphill both ways there and back and that's what a real work ethic looks like, then go off on a tangent about how people today are just too damn lazy.

The idea that younger people just need "work experience" is a vestige of a bygone world, when just having that little bit of experience would make you qualified for the job -- THE job -- that you would continue to do forever, because companies paid for loyalty with loyalty. That isn't how the world works now and every job, entry level, dead end, or otherwise, is the job that you might need to do forever. That's why a living wage is more important now than perhaps it was in previous years.

If easy jobs become living wage then victims of abuse can better escape via building an escape and self sustainability purse.

Being able to escape the household head's abuse is anathema to the "family values" system conservatives try to appeal to whenever gays are allowed more freedom than being sent to Jesus camp or force married by their parents.

They're not necessarily that unhinged from a moral perspective. They're just incredibly privileged and ignorant.

They truly believe that because they didn't get stuck with a low-wage job that it must be an active choice that people make, and that people should strive to be better to improve society.

And when you point out that they're privileged they see it as an insuly - like you're saying they didn't earn their way. And that's the real rub. Many wealthy people absolutely do work their asses off, and from their perspective all that work has paid off. What they don't understand is that their success is a mixture of their hard work AND luck.

Saying they've been lucky shouldn't diminish their work. I think everyone who works hard to be a success should have that opportunity. We're not asking that their hard work be ignored. We're asking that everyone else's be recognized with a living wage.

To be a conservative you need to enlarge the fear center of your brain, believe strongly in hierarchy, and want at least one level of the hierarchy to be miserable and suffering.

I bet she goes to Dairy Queen though

And childhood abuse and neglect, probably.

Lead poisoning caused by lack of regulation, failure to maintain and update safe infrastructure, and by outsourcing all manufacturing to China.

So, basically greed and fiscal conservatism.

It's not needed.

It's just needed to provide fantastic profits to the owners.

You can definitely have capitalism that pays a living wage, it just cuts into billionaires' profits.

Feels like skooby-do pulling back the mask of capitalism to reveal that it’s all just medieval peasants and serfs lol

See, the beauty of a screenshot like this is - it captures a great moment in time. It's the moment someone should realize they are wrong. And that's a perfect moment. It's evocative. We've all been wrong before, we know what it's like. We can feel their reaction by how we ourselves reacted in the past. Or how we wished we had.

Now, this moment could have several different outcomes: that person could admit they're wrong and learn from it, they could panic and backtrack, they could delete their tweet or account out of shame, they could double down and be even more wrong and increase the lulz, they could come back with valid arguments and change your opinion etc. But. Depending on what your position is to the initial argument, you may not be satisfied with the outcome. You may find it annoying or roll your eyes. Of course it's possible that you find it even better than the initial moment, but that's not a guarantee.

So this screenshot is a tease in a way, but in other ways it's also a complete package. It won't have a disappointing ending. It won't promise more of itself and then fail to deliver. You can see the screenshot, imagine the outcome you want, and scroll to the next one.

This screenshot is... enough.

Also, I'll be fucked before I use anything musk has been associated with, I don't wanna support that asshole.

Simple: ex-Twitter has an abominable app full of ads and tracking, that isn’t useable without account. And if you actually log in, it’s full of right wing shit and musk (which one could argue, is also right wing shit).

I have no intention wasting my time by searching for the gold nuggets in that giant pile of shit. I was on Twitter when it still was Twitter (until they killed third party apps) and even then, you saw the best tweets as screenshots on reddit.

Christ, barely even slaves. Just purely disposable temporary humans. Locked into a Dairy Queen to work until you die, then flushed out and replaced with someone new.

At least now we know why these people want to outlaw abortion. Gotta do something about all that human turnover.

"...than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

First time I’m reading about this, looked it up and had a good laugh, thanks.

For other uninitiated

Should all minimum wage jobs be closed between the hours of 9pm and 4pm? No, in fact a decent amount (if not all) need done in some capacity throughout the day.

Or another one that those kinds of people don't like to be asked: So if the minimum wage is for children (high school students getting their first jobs), what should be the minimum wage for adults?

She (and the people like her) fail to grasp so much about their arguments it's infuriating. They feel that those who work minimum wageshould suffer. Usually they'll talk around saying it, but that's the just of what they say.

I know I'm not disagreeing with you but man its laughable because anyone who looked around would notice that most of these jobs are actually done by adults. There aren't enough teens who actually want to work to fill 5% of them, they can't work the specific hours you need them, or enough hours period and they aren't very motivated or very trainable because they have no reason to care.

I'd honestly be okay with that.

If every person over about 16 was guaranteed the option of a bare minimum personal living space, a usable Internet connection, plumbing, clean water, and basic nutrition; then I don't care if there are jobs that pay $3 and hour.

If we eliminate forced homelessness, give victims of abuse a safe escape, allow people with both recognized and unrecognized disabilities a guaranteed foundation to live on, and generally just take care of the people we extract taxes from to fund our society; then a lot of my concerns about labor and wages evaporate.

Of course, what we don't want to to "accidentally" create a de-facto neo-slavery caste who are stuck with the bare minimum and unable to get better work.

Hell, if someone wants to lay around all day and do nothing but watch TV, I'm okay with that.

If they want to spend that free time pursuing education for a better life, that's great too!

I don't care, as long as we can get rid of the shitty system we have now in the US. Too many people fall through the cracks and never make it back.