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how can something be so courageous and yet so true (slrpnk.net)

submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net to c/memes@slrpnk.net

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Edit: Jesus Christ, people. If you buy a $150 Thinkpad made by slave labor instead of a $1,200 MacBook made by slave labor, you're still supporting a capitalist economy based on slave labor. We all do. We have no choice. The number of smug liberals in the comments saying "well I buy a cheap used laptop" or "well I buy coffee beans and make my own coffee" are completely missing the fucking point.

Don't tell yourself your consumption is moral. All of us make unethical choices every day because there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Accept your shame and guilt and let it drive you to do better.

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[-] GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 7 months ago

Your not allowed to have things if you don't support capitalism, you must live like a preindustrial peasant or else you are a hypocrite. /s

Really a fucken mac and a cup of coffee is trivial compared to billionaires and their private jets and mega yachts.

1200$ isn't even that much for a luxury item jeez and its not even really a luxury item. For an absolute fuck load of jobs, as well as online billing and banking and a whole host of other crap its 100% a requirement to own your own laptop. Yes it would be great if that wasn't necessary, hence the anti capitalism, but individuals fucking themselves over by trying to pointlessly abstain from participating is not going to solve things.

I don't drive, I don't own a car, I fucking hate cars, but I don't shit on people who have one because I understand its necessary for them. And even with me trying to abstain I still end up dependent on cars a lot and in a lot of ways it fucking makes my life more difficult. I am fucking mad at the systems that made that a requirement not at the people who are just trying to survive in the system. Its not magic how we ended up here, people in power made choices.

Thats what's so annoying about these lines of reasoning is you get accused of hypocrisy if you don't intentionally make your life shit

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 7 months ago

1200$ isn’t even that much for a luxury item jeez and its not even really a luxury item. For an absolute fuck load of jobs, as well as online billing and banking and a whole host of other crap its 100% a requirement to own your own laptop.

hot take: maybe im a tech nerd and this is why, but i would feel genuinely bad if i spent more than like 300-500 dollars on a laptop.

[-] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

An Apple laptop is just a totally inappropriate amount of money spent on a laptop for the overwhelming majority of use cases.

If you really want to smash capitalism buy used gear and run Linux

Edit: OP's edit about no ethical consumption is true in the strictest sense, but there are degrees of both consumption and morality and Apple is one of the worst companies on the planet with respect to both. Apple uses its money to very actively attack worthy causes like Right to Repair, throws their immense weight around to enforce monopolies, and just generally is an active detriment to society in the long-term.

Yes I know much of that doesn't matter under a non-capitalist production and labour model but OP's point is that this is the world we live in at the moment and that's exactly what I'm commenting on: you can make things suck less by not supporting this garbage wherever possible. Better yet, actively support advocacy organizations like those backing Right to Repair.

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[-] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 7 months ago

Imagine owning a laptop that you can't replace ram or the ssd of.

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[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 months ago

that would be me with my $150 kitted out ebay special thinkpad (ignore that i own four of them, they're spare parts and i can gift them to people. They're good laptops) somewhere, in a place, i don't like business establishments.

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[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 months ago

If everyone is going to be paid fairly for their labor, plenty of electronics are going to dramatically rise in price, as they rely in materials that are often obtained through people working in miserable conditions, sometimes reaching extremes such as child slavery.

I for one am willing to pay more if that means we fight against the abuse generated by this system.

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[-] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 5 points 7 months ago

To be fair, no system is perfect. Allowing people to both disconnect and be better at least acknowledges that the society needs both an eye inside and an eye from outside in order to improve

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