GOP politicians: “I love cops, just not when they investigate my guy’s crimes”
Hey FBI remember when that russian plant cheated his way into the office of predisent and you fucking did sweet fuckall for years about it? Member that?
And then, hey, and then remember when he staged a really fucked up coup to try and steal the election in front of god and everybody and y'all sat there with your thumb up your asses instead of arresting him and tearing the right-wing white-supremacy network apart to its foundations? Member?
yeah. Yup.
You could argue that former director Comey actually helped them out a lot by announcing news about Clinton's ongoing investigation during the election, rather than did fuck all.
At least he grew a spine once Trump was actually in office.
Almost like the racio-fascists are imbedded deep in intel world
Lmao okay so the FBI is great when you want to investigate hunter biden
Then when you don't get what you want you defund them hahahaha
The Party of Law and Order, I've heard that somewhere before. The party that is tough on crime, is another false appellation. smh
We need democrats or at least Super PACs to start commercials the fact that they are soft on crime. They want to defund the police.
Remember that nuance is not a characteristic of the right.
The Democrats need to get a whole hell of a lot tougher on messaging. Biden needs to stand in front of crowds and cameras and call Trump exactly what he is: a traitor, a criminal and a dangerous Russian asset. Fuck statesmanship at this point. Trump should have never, ever been able to get this close to the presidency again, yet here we are.
It's not enough to just be quietly polite when your opponent wants to destroy the rule of law and order. I'm so entirely sick of watching as the Democrats blow opportunity after opportunity to win big.
The bases for the two parties are very very different.
It's why Republicans can, with little consequence, call Democrats pedophiles, crooks, etc.
Democrats have a big tent, with a lot of moderates in the base. Moderates, for the most part, see democrats as the paragons of virtue, people who should stand tall while their opponents throw shit at their face and call it confetti.
Moderates won't vote for Democrats if they feel like they can't be polite. They won't vote for Republicans but simply keeping them out of the ballot box is enough for Republicans to win.
The only good way to deal with this is as a SuperPAC. Running attack ads and forcing Republicans to play defense. But remember that conservatives have significant backing from rich assholes and they have their own SuperPACs.
I'll disagree with that, as someone lemmy would classify as a moderate.
We all know the Dems are the only adults in the room. We know they actually want to govern. We accept that the majority of them are corporate shills, but also want to improve things for the people as long as there's not a direct conflict with corporate America.
Most importantly, we recognize that the other party wants to pillage this country and burn down everything and hand it over to the filthy rich.
If the Dems got into petty attacks on Republicans, you would not lose moderate voters. You may lose more Progressives, but let's be honest, all it takes is one wedge issue to lose Progressives. They are not a vote worth pursuing. It's getting more of the red vote, or at least creating voter apathy in the Right by branding all their politicians as the absolute clowns they are.
20 years ago, I would say you were right. Being respectable was a draw. But actions speak louder than words, and the Republican's actions for the last decade have been absolutely vile. Rhetoric won't change that.
If the Dems got into petty attacks on Republicans, you would not lose moderate voters. You may lose more Progressives
hard disagree. every progressive I know is ready for a dirty fucking fight.
but let's be honest, all it takes is one wedge issue to lose Progressives. They are not a vote worth pursuing
and this advice, fellow internet peeps, is how you lose elections to fascists.
I consider myself a progressive, and I want that fight. I want the Democrats to show some spine.
exactly. the only ones that have shown spine in the Democratic caucus thus far have been progressives.
people mistake activism to move the party in a better direction as "peeling off progressives over wedge issues". its bullshit.
those same progressives that abhor the current genocidal orgy in Gaza are the same ones that will fight with their lives to protect their socially and poitically vulnerable family, friends and neighbors.
everyone I persoanlly know that self identifies "left" is begging for a goddamn smackdown of these fascists. these are the people that will bring the heat, light and energy at the community level to a depressingly limp Democratic party.
This is exactly what he was saying though, isn't it? Biden literally used the sotu a few weeks ago to publically call them clowns and you just ignored it. You have a narrative in your head you want to be true, so you'll seek out whatever you need to make it that way. It's a waste of time to pursue your vote. It's already decided.
Biden also just banned pride flags in embassies. It's not a beatdown if you use weakass insults with your mouth and sign their bills with your hands.
but let’s be honest, all it takes is one wedge issue to lose Progressives. They are not a vote worth pursuing
and this advice, fellow internet peeps, is how you lose elections to fascists.
Uh huh. I guess all those Progressives that refused to vote for Hillary because of the DNC scandal don't count. Or all the progressives, who are very loudly declaring they won't vote for genocide, don't count. Or the california progressives currently decrying Adam Schiff's (checks notes) attack ads on a Republican as actually designed to raise his name recognition so Schiffs progressive opponent would lose to a republican, don't count.
If you think all of the above are ridiculous reasons not to vote Dem in the general election, then you're not the idiotic progressive fringe I'm talking about, and your vote is already secure.
We accept that the majority of them are corporate shills
FYI, you're not a moderate. You're a leftist in denial.
...but let’s be honest, all it takes is one wedge issue to lose Progressives. They are not a vote worth pursuing.
Edit: make that a self-hating leftist in denial.
Actually the corporate news media should be doing that.
Because it's news. and true. and important to upholding democracy. Which is the entire fucking purpose of a free press
That ship sailed with end of the Fairness Doctrine and rules against media cross-ownership.
While I agree with your assessment, I don't think it'll have much of an impact on turn out. Everyone who's paying attention has likely already made up their mind.
What I think we need now is more peer to peer grassroots messaging. Get those who aren't paying enough attention informed and motivated, while not wasting time on trying to -change- minds.
Well I think we agree. It's not about changing minds but getting people fired up enough to go vote. Democrats win when voters show up in large numbers. Those not paying attention need to be given reasons to do so.
The biggest difference someone can make is driving people to the polling places on Election Day for the Democratic Party. GOP voters can walk for all I can, they better get used to it in their Gilead anyways.
I would roll my eyes incredibly hard, but I'm starting to think they need to get into the childish nickname game too. It really sells to that crowd. People are, to this day, still delightfully saying Lets Go Brandon like it's clever.
I will forgive them. There's a large portion of this country that thinks of politics as entertainment and are just interested in drama. Fight fire with fire.
I think the DNC is going to have a lot of room to play around this election, given the massive amounts of campaign funding their opponents have burnt up on Donald Trump.
The only people to attempt to defund the police are the Republicans
In their eyes, FBI isn't the police because the FBI investigate their donors.
"We need to defund the FBI to get back at them for trying to stop Russia from interfering in our elections," said members of the Party of Reagan.
Hey I hate fascist republicans as much as the next guy but….. based?
Like fuck the FBI, absolutely defund that shit, the FBI spends 99% of its time obsessed with monitoring leftwing activists and after totally being caught off guard on January 6th I think they have basically forfeited any claim to actually protecting the security of the United States. They missed a publicly announced attempted overthrow of the US government that almost resulted in multiple serving US politicians being killed or hurt, they MISSED THAT.
This story is interesting as criticism of GOP, not support for FBI.
Have whatever opinion of FBI you want: when the people who have made the Thin Blue Line a core piece of their personality suddenly find some police that they'd like to do away with a whole band of high-profile police, then it reveals that the thin blue line shit was just code for something else.
Have whatever opinion of FBI you want: when the people who have made the Thin Blue Line a core piece of their personality suddenly find some police that they’d like to do away with a whole band of high-profile police, then it reveals that the thin blue line shit was just code for something else.
Then let’s take advantage of the fact that in this narrow case republicans are accidentally right and defund the FBI.
I am getting really tired of Centrists/Democrats taking Republican positions to point out that Republicans are hypocritical, because it ends up with Centrists and Democrats taking and parroting Republican positions.
The vast majority of convicted violent insurgents and anti-government communes in the USA are not "leftwing". If they were defunding the CIA then I could be on board, but the FBI are the organization that investigate paramilitants and police departments in the USA.
Exactly. You want people to vote for you?! This is how you get people to vote for you.
Biden is a super tough pig supporter. Kamala even more so putting tons of people behind bars for barely any reason. They try to talk a good game but in the end support police and crime units more so than the republicans.
So if you're going to defund the FBI, CIA, NSA, and various police departments... I'm all for it.
ACAB
FBI goes after white collar rich person crimes. That is no Bueno.
Bizzaro world.
^this, also i’m calling it now, next they’re gonna try to privatize them
But... without Mulder and Scully, who's going to stop weirdos from coming through our air ducts and getting us, huh???
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Republicans criticized the Bureau for investigating the more than 100 contacts ultimately found insufficiently collusive between the 2016 Trump campaign and Russia during that country's interference with our presidential election.
If Trump were a man with a spotless record of respect for the law, Republicans might be right to call into question the FBI actions against one so highly placed.
But no serious observer would call Trump above reproach in the face of the unprecedented catalogue of credible claims against him, including his questionable connections to Russia and the non-criminal court conclusions that he has engaged in fraud, rape, and insurrection.
In 1973, with the J. Edgar Hoover era over at the FBI, Attorney General Elliot Richardson refused to follow President Nixon's order to fire the Watergate special prosecutor, and so did his deputy.
It had been an article of faith in Washington until the Trump Era that the Justice Department, including the FBI should not be tampered with by the White House or Congress.
Thomas G. Moukawsher is a former Connecticut complex litigation judge and a former co-chair of the American Bar Association Committee on Employee Benefits.
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I thought that if you didn’t like what cops did you were supposed to fund them more?
no, no, that's the DNC.
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