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Why do Republicans even bother with this whole farce? (www.salon.com)

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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

Its both useful and pretty obvious to me. The primary function of these debates is to get a temperature check on 'what the party is all about', and through this lense, we can see that they haven't moved in from misogyny, racism, and neo/facsist ideologies. They have an accountability to their voters to do so, and engagement will drive turnout. It's in their benefit to show they have some kind of value to their voters.

Frankly, I'm annoyed we're not also having a farse of a primary and debate season for Biden. It's a chance to ask questions and be critical, and anyone who says it's not the time for that is antidemocratic. Debates are one of the very few times we can hold the parties at least some what accountable for the bile they soew forth, even if only in a comedically produced and frankly, offensive to the definition of the word debate, debate structure.

We already have so few entry points into democracy in the US. Writing off this one seems ludicrous.

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Sitting Presidents are rarely challenged within the party.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

They should be, they need to be held accountable for their first 4 years to check if they are worthy of another 4.

[-] ME5SENGER_24@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

I hate how when someone gets elected for their first term, the first thing out of everyone’s mouth is: re-election. Bitch, how about you bust your ass for 4 years and everyone will be begging you to stay. Instead its, get elected, work on re-election campaign, build a library. It would be amazing to see my country finally live up to this whole American dream BS that’s been shoved down my throat since birth, yet the only people actually getting richer were already rich to begin with. We talk about $100k salaries like they’re gold yet Elon, Bezos and Bill Gates wipe their asses with larger bills than that. We need a government for the people of the people. Not a bunch of 1%ers mooching off us Poors and writing policies to their benefit distancing themselves and their families from further from the people they claim to represent

[-] morphballganon@mtgzone.com 10 points 1 year ago

Why would dems give voters a reason to vote against Biden?

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

They need to earn their position, if they haven't spent the prior 4 years earning it they shouldn't be reelected.

[-] morphballganon@mtgzone.com 5 points 1 year ago

You didn't answer my question.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

That is the answer, why should they expect to keep the job if they haven't earned it

[-] CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Biden not being challenged in the primary is the Democratic Party saying “you’ve earned it”.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago

They are not allowing any challengers to keep his accountable.

[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I don't think you understand how this works

[-] knotthatone@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

OP's not asking about what the incumbent expects. Why would the party itself give voters reasons to vote against their incumbent?

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Why would the party itself give voters reasons to vote against their incumbent?

Because thats how democracy is supposed to work. Candidates need to earn everyone's vote every time theres an election. The purpose of an election is to give the population a chance to approve their reelection, it also holds them accountable. To just assume they are entitled to the full 8 years with no question or accountability is authoritarian.

[-] morphballganon@mtgzone.com 3 points 1 year ago

That's what the general election is for.

[-] hansl@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago

That’s what the general is for.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

No it's not, if they wont allow anyone to primary them then it's assumed there is no other choice

[-] hansl@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

It’s a “the system is broken but we have to play with the rules” thing. We can protest/protest/canvas for new voting rules to get third parties more chance to be in congress, but I can’t see the presidency ever changing in a regular setting.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

They designed a system that's broken for us, works perfectly for them and demand we participate in it

[-] CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Actually the Republicans would love for you not to participate in it.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

That's obviously not the point.

[-] HWK_290@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

True, but the Biden administration is definitely using the debate to put forward their own talking points ("watch it jack, we're bringing roe back," a new plan to cap student loan debt, new climate investments) so it's not like we're getting no taste of what the administration's priorities will be in the next 4 years

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

True, but the Biden administration is definitely using the debate to put forward their own talking points (“watch it jack, we’re bringing roe back,” a new plan to cap student loan debt, new climate investments) so it’s not like we’re getting no taste of what the administration’s priorities will be in the next 4 years

Good, and they should be. I'd like to see some Democratic with the candidates who obviously won't be getting the nod, simply because its an opportunity to hold people accountable. How about the failure by the Biden administration on student loans? How about we have some debate questions about the supreme court and how its basically been captured by the conservative movement, and apparently, open to bribery? We have so few opportunities to actually engage in politics. We can't give up the debates simply because of decorum or that the contenders won't win. Its literally the only time we ever get the chance to drive the party in the direction of the will of the people.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 7 points 1 year ago

What is Biden supposed to do about the Supreme Court except nominate new justices? The problem is that you need Congress to do something.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Lets here what he proposes as a solution. Its his answer to have not mine, and as President, he sure as fucking shit better have a plan, or he's not qualified for the job. The argument here is in support of debates. Without debates, we don't get answers to these kinds of questions.

I sure as shit want to know what Biden's plan is to deal with a congress that wont play ball. He needs to have one.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 year ago

Lets here what he proposes as a solution. Its his answer to have not mine

It isn't his job, unless you make the Supreme Court a Presidential appointment alone and that they can fire justices on their own whim.

The power to deal with a corrupt Supreme Court has been clearly vested in Congress, not the President.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

It isn’t his job, unless you make the Supreme Court a Presidential appointment alone and that they can fire justices on their own whim.

It sure as fuck is the Presidents job to navigate the halls of power and deliver on things they campaign on.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 year ago

To a point, but the President has not been given the power to be a dictator.

If the President's agenda doesn't get past Congress, what is the President supposed to do? Do you expect the President to start arresting members of Congress until the Presidents' bills get passed?

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

To a point, but the President has not been given the power to be a dictator.

No one is asking them to be, but if you don't understand that the ability to get an agenda past Congress is there job, I don't know what to tell you. The job of a President isn't to accept defeat for their constituents, is to find a way through.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 0 points 1 year ago

That isn't the President's job to wrangle Congress. Perception over time has made people think that, but the Presidency was never set to lead the legislative branch. If that were the case, the President would be more like a Prime Minister in other countries.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Props to the graphic designer who got the asterisk in “Democracy* 24”

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

Democracy is for illustration purposes only, actual political system may differ.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Terms and conditions apply. See coup for details.

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

It’s a pep rally to rile up the base and reinforce party talking points. Participants are also using the stage to further their political influence even when they know they can’t win the nomination. There are other jobs, and the “show” gives them name recognition.

[-] matchphoenix@feddit.uk 14 points 1 year ago

Most of them seemed to be competing to be vice president, or just trying to ride the free publicity and up their celebrity profile for future book and tv deals.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Republicans are like school on Saturday: No class!

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago

Because FPTP is a farce of a system, so building a farce on a farce doesn't really increase the farce-ness very much?

[-] quindraco@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Woa, you can't just say that out loud. You have to pretend the system is functional. Did you skip social studies in public school?

[-] TheJims@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Everything Republicans do is performance art for trump. His personality disorders demand constant attention and they have to oblige at the risk of becoming part of the out crowd.

[-] Project_Straylight@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They should have gone for the format where Donald sits on a throne and interrogates the others about their loyalty

[-] UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

A lot of white Christian conservatives grew up living in a bubble, so anything that exists beyond that is scary/different and needs to be rejected/shunned for simply just existing sometimes.

[-] Heresy_generator@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Because the spectacle of the farce is all they have to offer their base.

[-] kucuva@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

dolla dolla bill yall...

[-] elouboub@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

US politics doesn't need a "TV adaptation". It's not even "made for TV". It is TV.

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