DuckDuckAssitant is back! : privacy

[-] barbara@lemmy.ml 64 points 7 months ago

Beware that it just forwards your queries to openai

We have agreements with model providers to further protect your privacy.

As noted above, we call model providers on your behalf so your personal information (for example, IP address) is not exposed to them. In addition, we have agreements in place with all model providers that further limit how they can use data from these anonymous requests that includes not using Prompts and Outputs to develop or improve their models as well as deleting all information received within 30 days.

[-] LWD@lemm.ee 37 points 7 months ago

Important question: exactly what does it forward to them? After reviewing their privacy policy, it looks like they may be forwarding something in addition to the query itself.

When it comes to adding a layer of privacy between your queries and the OpenAI results, I believe them, but I really want to know exactly how much privacy there is and isn't.

[-] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

FYI: You don't have to choose OpenAI. You can also choose Claude 2.1. Its corpus is more ethically sourced & it's more private with user data, but in return it is naturally less feature-complete. Still pretty awesome though!

[-] LWD@lemm.ee 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

ChatGPT begs to differ

(ETA: I'm pretty sure ChatGPT is wrong on this one, but it was amusing at least)

[-] rollingflower@lemmy.kde.social 19 points 7 months ago

Turbo misinformation

[-] LWD@lemm.ee 13 points 7 months ago

ChatGPT: it tells you what you want to know!

(And sometimes what it tells you is even true!)

[-] rollingflower@lemmy.kde.social 1 points 7 months ago

This. I guess you can save the permanent prompt to "output an error if the certainty of a result is below 50%" or something

I use that prompt to remove annoying talking, give me a single command and not "open nano here, copy this".

[-] venoft@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

That's super wrong. Typical ai hallucination since it's not in training data (Claude is quite new).

[-] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

ChatGPT is incorrect. I asked Claude about it and this is what it has to say.

(Skip to bottom for tl;dr.)

tl;dr

Claude's end response:

when I said earlier that "Claude acts as a privacy layer provided by DuckDuckGo", that was an incorrect statement. To clarify:

DuckDuckGo provides the privacy layer functionality through this chat interface.

I am Claude, an AI model created by Anthropic to converse.

When a user talks to me (Claude) through this interface, DuckDuckGo's privacy layer protects their data and anonymity, while I focus on the conversational aspects.

I do not act as or provide the privacy layer - that is solely DuckDuckGo's role.

Thank you for catching my mistaken statement earlier. To summarize correctly:

DuckDuckGo enables the privacy layer protections. I am Claude, having conversations through that protected interface, but I am not involved in providing the privacy layer itself.

I appreciate you taking the time to ensure I understand this properly. Please let me know if any part of the explanation remains unclear!

[-] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

That thing needs to summerize it's own shit.

[-] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 7 months ago

I fucking AGREE.

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 19 points 7 months ago

Um, how about no? Love DDG but good lord are we just supposed to take openai's word for this privacy? Lol

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 3 points 7 months ago

Yes, it's a stretch, but think about it. If they is a proxy, then it isn't worse than using piped or invidious too search and listen for music or such.

[-] CapitanStrider@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 7 months ago

No thanks

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Ok I guess

[-] rollingflower@lemmy.kde.social 11 points 7 months ago

Damn they have ClaudeAI! Its way better than GPT

[-] madd0ck@feddit.de 11 points 7 months ago

Unfortunately, they are using the old Claude 1.2 instant model instead of the newer Claude 3 Haiku

[-] rollingflower@lemmy.kde.social 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I also couldnt find their website at all, how do you access that chat?

Edit: tab on the search results page

[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 9 points 7 months ago

Better alternatives are always welcomed, even if they're not universally needed or perfect. I already use their search engine quite regularly so I can imagine I will try this occasionally, though I think trust issues with AI chat will always be difficult to overcome for me since I've spent the majority of my life doing this stuff for myself.

[-] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago

Meh. I'll stick with local llama and firejailed lmstudio.

[-] oldfart@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago

What is the link? It doesn't appear on main ddg page for me

[-] rollingflower@lemmy.kde.social 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=nothing&t=fpas&ia=chat#

[-] oldfart@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

Thank you! I've used anonchatgpt before but this is better, no captcha and two models to choose from

[-] rollingflower@lemmy.kde.social 1 points 7 months ago

Its strange that you need to search something first to access it. And the Claude model is really outdated. The new claude model is better than ChatGPT4 but the old one isnt.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 5 points 7 months ago

It's funny how fads have moved on from fashion and toys and onto the internet

[-] Gargari@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago

They really think their target audience will like it?

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 3 points 7 months ago

Well, I mostly haven't used the existing tools because I did not trust the service providers with my privacy, and also I do not think these are such an all important tools.

However this is a proxy, basically. Isn't it?
So if we are fine using youtube through (video proxying instances of) Invidious and Piped, then this should be fine too (if you don't input private info of yours or others, that is)

[+] Freuks@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

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[-] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

I'll just use Jan locally on my machine and Microsoft Copilot for images.

[-] UntitledQuitting@reddthat.com 2 points 7 months ago

Which models do you run on jan? I often get very weird responses and/or never ending feedback loops.

That being said I still don’t have much use for text-based ai, it doesn’t really fill any gaps in my workflow

[-] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

Stealth 7B mostly

[+] ChallengeApathy@infosec.pub -9 points 7 months ago

I'm happy to stick with Brave. Far superior to DDG in literally every way.

[-] off_brand_@beehaw.org 10 points 7 months ago

Isn't brave owned by that weird crypto guy? And based on chrome?

[-] ChallengeApathy@infosec.pub 1 points 7 months ago

Yeah, and? It's one of the best options for privacy. I'm referring to their search engine though.

[-] Firipu@startrek.website 4 points 7 months ago

Why would I use brave (with its weird fucked up crypto links) over Vivaldi? If you're using chromium anyway, I don't get the brave love.

[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 2 points 7 months ago

I would use Firefox over either, but at least Vivaldi's ownership model seems pretty good (employee owned). Brave is just so untrustworthy at a company level.

[-] Firipu@startrek.website 1 points 7 months ago

Been saying this for years, the day Firefox gets native gestures, is the day I'll swap.

Can't live without them (and speeddial tbh)

[-] ChallengeApathy@infosec.pub 1 points 7 months ago

Better privacy, better UI not cluttered by excessive and unnecessary options, and a fantastic feature set... but I'm referring to their search engine in this context.

[-] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 4 points 7 months ago

The irony of posting from infosec about how superior Brave is. Bruh moment.

[-] ChallengeApathy@infosec.pub 1 points 7 months ago

I'm sorry that not everyone from my instance believes that Firefox is the only option 🙄

[-] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Dude, there is degoogled chromium, and various other blink engine choices, but touting brave as a "superior" option? Oof. Big oof.

On the gecko side of things, there are a ton of great choices as well. All of them are better in every single way than brave.

[-] ChallengeApathy@infosec.pub 1 points 7 months ago

Because it objectively IS. It passes privacy tests in so many areas where others fail and I'm not just talking about those privacy test sites, I'm talking tests we can run ourselves. It's fine if you don't like Brave but don't let your emotions get in the way of the fact that it is, by default, the best option for privacy out of the box. Sure, you CAN harden Firefox or use Librewolf but even those don't always succeed in passing those tests like Brave does.

[-] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 1 points 7 months ago

Bro. Be better.

"Objectively"

"Superior"

Your use of these words make me think that you don't understand what they mean. Go ahead, use brave all you want. Big oof.

[-] ChallengeApathy@infosec.pub 1 points 7 months ago

It IS. It's a fact. You can run the tests yourself.

[-] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 0 points 7 months ago

Smh.

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 2 points 7 months ago

What has brave to do with this?

[-] ChallengeApathy@infosec.pub 1 points 7 months ago

They have a search engine...

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 points 7 months ago

As I understand the point was the AI tool of the org, not the search engine.

[-] ChallengeApathy@infosec.pub 1 points 7 months ago

The AI is intrinsically linked to the search engine if I'm not mistaken. Brave has AI built into their search engine and their browser, but it's very well done and pro-privacy.

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