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For critics of widening projects, the prime example of induced demand is the Katy Freeway in Houston, one of the widest highways in the world with 26 lanes.

Immediately after Katy’s last expansion, in 2008, the project was hailed as a success. But within five years, peak hour travel times on the freeway were longer than before the expansion.

Matt Turner, an economics professor at Brown University and co-author of the 2009 study on congestion, said adding lanes is a fine solution if the goal is to get more cars on the road. But most highway expansion projects, including those in progress in Texas, cite reducing traffic as a primary goal.

“If you keep adding lanes because you want to reduce traffic congestion, you have to be really determined not to learn from history,” Dr. Turner said.

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[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

And yet we hear the argument that when it comes to cycle lanes the opposite is true, the more you add the less they are used.

[-] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Anti-car people use this to try to explain that adding more lanes doesn't help traffic congestion. Except that every highway system is different and the vast majority of them don't have anywhere near those number of lanes. Adding 1 lane to a 2 lane road would dramatically help traffic situations.

[-] maniajack@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

As with many things there's not a clear cut answer. I think you could make a strong case for the Katy Freeway expansion being a failure where those resources would have been better spent on other forms of transportation. I'd agree that adding lanes is not always a bad idea, but blindly adding lanes like the US has done for decades has not been a good thing overall, imo. We're dependent on cars for everything, they're heating up the planet and they're a very inefficient solution to the ultimate problem of getting people from point A to B. I'm not so much anti-car as anti-inefficient travel that has saddled us with tons of negative aspects to city life.

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[-] yoppa@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

America is just too beautiful to be on this earth.

[-] chakan2@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

The conclusions in the article are bizarre. The widening worked, and as the population increased, the congestion increased in those areas.

The solution is stop upping population density in population dense areas.

You just can't pack that many people in per square mile and make it work, regardless of if we are using cars or not.

[-] TheWoozy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

The solution is stop upping population density in population dense areas.

This is completely backwards. Increasing population density means people can afford to live closer to work & resources. Low density means they have to drive 50 miles a day to get anywhere, and thus need more lanes.

[-] chakan2@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Think about this...ever been to a large sporting event in a huge arena? Think of a sold out NFL game. The stadiums are designed to get people in and out quickly. Lots of people in a out quickly.

It's a fucking disaster, every game, every time.

Now imagine doing that daily just to get to work. That's what you're proposing here.

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