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submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by wjrii@lemmy.world to c/casualconversation@lemm.ee

I'm a reader. I completely understand how "the book" provides more nearly a singular vision and has room to explore characters and their interior lives pretty extensively and explicitly, and the lower cost means you can target niche audiences. I often find I like the book (LOTR, Dune, any Twain adaptation ever) better than the movie or show, but not always. At some point aren't you just saying that the things books do well are more important to you than seeing the collective efforts of a filmmaking team and what film as a medium does well?

Some personal examples where I think the movie/show is a better example of filmmaking than the books are of literature:

  • The Shawshank Redemption. I actually just read this novella today. It's a pleasant little thing, sturdily written and with a bit of commentary and a melancholy reflection on hope and resilience and time. It's also sort of stylistically derivative, which means that anything setting tone and mood is unremarkably presented, and Red is so far from an omniscient narrator that I actually feel a disconnect. It also sort of rambles along in the interest of (I think) reminding us of how much time is passing. I get what was King was going for, and it works, it really does, but I don't know how special it is. The movie was all of what was good in the book, distilled and heightened to damn near the exact right amount, and everything that the book labors over, Darabont and Robbins and Freeman make look easy. It's a brilliant film, based on a nice book. Also, 500 yards is not almost a mile, Red. It's just not.

  • The Martian. Weir was a first time author, and it shows. He actually remains one with a limited skillset, though he's honed it over the years (Hail Mary is really solid). In the book, every single scene not involving Watney is tedious and either mechanically pushing the plot forward, or if not it's bordering on juvenile. Just some dialogue doctoring and professional actors helps those scenes a ton. For Watney, Damon kills it; perfect casting and the run time of movie keeps the author-insert gimmick from wearing out its welcome, which is a risk with Weir. Completely losing the rover trek is a miss I think, as was the plan to get to space, but overall I like the movie just a touch more than the book, though again, I like both.

  • Revenge of the Sith. Both of them suck. The book sucks worse, because it's trying to polish somebody else's turd, and doing so by way of a hack who thinks he's Hemingway. In fact, this goes for a lot of licensed tie-in writing. Halo is not top-tier TV, but I can just about bet the books I haven't read are only "better" to people who are invested in them or, to circle back to my original phrasing, who think the book is always better.

  • The Last of the Mohicans. Not that the 1992 movie is special, but to quote the aforementioned Twain, "Cooper's art has some defects. In one place in 'Deerslayer,' and in the restricted space of two-thirds of a page, Cooper has scored 114 offences against literary art out of a possible 115. It breaks the record."

  • Honorable mention to the Expanse, where I think the one is just about even with the other.

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[-] scytale@lemm.ee 12 points 7 months ago

Thankfully, most of my favorite film/tv adaptations of books are solid, most notably Dune (2000, 2021, and 2024) and Annihilation. The one adaptation I didn't like much was Altered Carbon. It's a pretty straightforward story and I don't understand why they had to do the character change they did.

[-] Ashyr@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago

Man, Annihilation was so good, but the book was also really good and really special, just different.

I started it just before bed at 10 on a work night and finished around 3:30 am. I regret nothing and it was just an absolutely gripping tale.

[-] OmegaMouse@pawb.social 1 points 7 months ago

It's been a while since I read Altered Carbon so I couldn't place what had been changed with the story when watching the show. But it did feel off, and I definitely felt like I enjoyed the book a lot more.

[-] GreyShuck@feddit.uk 11 points 7 months ago

I think that Jaws is a good reference point here.

I'd say that if you genuinely prefer Benchley's novel to Spielberg's film then that is a pretty good indicator that you're just going to prefer books no matter what.

[-] wjrii@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

If you've read it, would you say The Godfather falls into the same zone?

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The Godfather book has parts that were not in the movie though, whereas Jaws has pretty much everything covered. I think the Godfather book explains things more clearly to the reader, like what "going to the mattresses" really means, which wasn't done in the movie. So, I think that it's possible to enjoy the Godfather book more than the movie without necessarily enjoying books more overall. They did an amazing job with both movies though.

[-] wjrii@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

They did an amazing job with both movies though.

But there are thr......

Nm. Carry on.

[-] GreyShuck@feddit.uk 1 points 7 months ago

Yes I would - very much in the same situation.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 10 points 7 months ago

Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

The film is so close to the book, that I would find it hard to believe you preferred one over the other for any reason other than preferring that particular medium.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

There's something visceral about consuming Hunter S. Thompson's words from the tattered pages of a paperback book, over a period of weeks, which can't be conveyed through a movie. So, although I think they did an excellent job with the movie, this is one example where I preferred the book just because of the experience.

[-] Nemo@midwest.social 10 points 7 months ago

Fight Club is the turning point for me. Both book and film were good, and the film was not only a great adaptation but it included everything meaningful from the book. Neither one is clearly superior.

[-] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Every Palahnuik book I've read has an awful, nihilistic ending. Flight club wasn't as bad in that regard, but the movie ending was definitely better.

So just on that, I'd say the movie is better.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Fight Club was essentially a movie masterpiece.

[-] Pronell@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Agreed there, and it's the only example discussed here that I've both read and seen.

And my favorite movie.

[-] morphballganon@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I only read LotR once, but I recall Fellowship being pretty dull (The Barrow-Downs in particular struck me as a whole chapter about nothing). On the other hand, Fellowship the film was an absolute masterpiece.

[-] wjrii@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

I think for me, it may come down to when I encountered each one. I read LOTR at exactly that right moment in adolescence, and they became capital-I Important, and I just fell into that universe. The movies are really good, and I have no complaints, but I just don't think back with quite the same nostalgia.

Definitely a case to be made that pacing is an advantage the movies have over the books, though. I can't deny it.

[-] GlitterInfection@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The biggest offenders for me are Harry Potter fans.

The movies are better for what they left out or changed.

They especially improved the entire franchise when they cut the "slaves love being slaves" plot.

I think nostalgia clouds people's judgment a lot. I didn't grow up with the books, and didn't read them until after all the movies came out. I was fully expecting what all the fans told me would be a much more coherent, and fleshed out story.

But that's just not there in the books.

Before this experience I was one of those "the books are always better" people, and this shocked me out of it.

I am grateful I didn't ruin the movies by reading the books first and becoming one of those people who think that Dumbledore yelling in one scene is a fundamental abandonment of cannon worthy of ridicule.

I enjoyed the books for what they are, decent children's books and young adult novels, which were mostly faithfully adapted into some great films.

Then ruined by the transphobic nightmare of a TERF who wrote them.

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I never prefer one over the other, but I have a very strict rule about what order I consume the content, if I want to enjoy both of them.

I find that if I watch the movie first, and then read the book second, I'll like the movie a lot more.

If I read the book first, then watch the movie afterwards, I find myself very disappointed in the things the movie changes/leaves out.

[-] LordPassionFruit@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

Just to your point about The Martian, I would argue that the book wasn't 'objectively' better than the movie, but that the movie had a different vibe than the book due to the change from written text logs to the video logs.

It's a limitation of the format, but the movie almost feels like it belongs to a different telling of the story than Weir's original? As if there he'd written in the 80s, someone rewrote it slightly different in the 00's, and the rewrite got made into a movie?

I am definitely biased because I really enjoy both The Martian book and movie, just in different ways.

[-] elephantium@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Try out Stardust. The book is good, but the film is great.

[-] wjrii@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I've never read it, but I did love the movie. For the record, American Gods is another one where I liked the book more.

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