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seems like an addiction to me but alright buddy
Yeah this does not sound healthy and I don't think this behaviour should be nornalised and propagated...
Especially considering weed suppresses REM sleep
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I remember when a recovered alcoholic came to our school to talk to us about alcoholism.
One of my class mates asked "when did you realise you were addicted?", he answered "when I'd wake up to swig some vodka and then just go back to sleep again".
So yh, you might be right. I personally don't think cannabis is as destructive as many other well known drugs, but it can still be a bad habit and you can always have too much of a good thing.
Makes me think of how we perceive the flow of time; how novel experiences create a flood of memories, potentially affecting your perception of the flow of time to make your life feel like it has lasted longer. And then I think about those old friends, with an extremely limited amount of novel experiences after high school... We used to jam all the time, they all played an instrument of some kind and they've all long given up in favor of endless wake and bake and being perpetually high. It doesn't ruin your health quickly like other drugs, it just has a tendency to convince people its OK to do literally nothing. There's a time and place for that; many times and many places, actually. Its when that time and place becomes all the time and everywhere that it can be insidious.
I bet the last thing anyone ever thinks on their death bed is "I really wish I smoked more weed".
You are absolutely right.
On the other hand, a person with an addict's brain is going to almost certainly spend their youth, their 20s and a good chunk of their 30s as addicts before they start their path toward sobriety.
As somebody with an addict's brain who got hooked on weed instead of anything else, I am thankful it was weed and I wish all people with my chemical imbalance could have had weed as their poison.
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Two ibuprofen and a quarter of a Delta 9 gummy and the only thing you're getting up for is emergency diarrhea!
Just take a sleeping pill.
Terrible advice. Sleeping pills are much more addictive than cannabis and you should only take them if your doctor advised you to.
I'm not saying OPs behaviour is healthy.
Weed is also terrible for a sleep aid since it suppresses REM.
Is that true? I use it most evenings and still have vivid dreams every night.
From a quick Google search it looks like it depends on the strain and dosage. Also doesn't look to be super well studied. On an anectodal level, I tend to have more vivid dreams on a higher THC strain and a deeper sleep on a higher CBD strain but here's part of an article on the subject:
Acute administration of THC has also been associated with decreased REM sleep and increased slow wave sleep (SWS), similar to some animal studies [30, 31]. However, the effects on slow wave sleep and total sleep time are not persistent
Data regarding effects of cannabidiol or CBD on sleep are limited. Studies in rats injected with increasing dosages of CBD showed an increase in total percentage of sleep, with a decrease in REM latency at lower doses and an increase in REM latency at higher doses
That depends very much on which sleep aid you're taking. I also didn't say anything about taking it every damn day.
Lol because there's no side effects / risks / addiction potential in sedatives/hypnotics?
Mm, yes.
I use weed and Ambien for sleep (not both all the time, but you get it) and while I Ambien suits me very well, I can see the abuse potential and know a lot of people who choose to avoid it due to all manner of behaviour. And very often nowadays, what is prescribes for slight insomnia is something like a small dose of seroquel, which is practically poison compared to weed. Originally it was meant only for the most severe manic schizophrenics and bipolar patients. Then they started pushing it "a little" and despite being fined for hundreds of millions for bad marketing practices, it's still pushed a lot.
"Take a sleeping pill"
Why not cannabis? Smoking is unhealthy, yes, but herb vaporisers are pretty innocuous as delivery mechanisms.
Good meme, but I also have to respond with a bit srsly.
Use doesn't always equal abuse.
I acknowledge weed addiction is massively a thing. Anything can be addictive.
Dependence on the other hand...
Benzos and benzolike drugs are often used as hypnotic sleeping aids, and while they're very safe and usually well tolerated, if you develop a benzodiazepine dependence, that's gonna be hell compared to any weed addiction.
Trust, me, I know a lot of weed addicts and I've known a lot of pill junkies.
Leaping to benzodiazepines when I said to take a sleep med is insane. There are much milder ones and benzodiazepines are not typically used as a sleep aid. Even Ambien is too strong for most.
Ambien is specifically a sleeping aid. There's no other accepted use for it. Zolpidem and zopiclone are the most common sleeping aids, and they are hypnotic sedatives.
And benzos are used sometimes for hard insomnia, long acting benzos.
I've been having sleeping problems for more than a quarter of a century, but please, do tell me about these "more common" medications that aren't benzolike or hypnotic and definitely safer than fucking cannabis. No-one is "leaping" to anything. Long acting benzos and benzo derivative hypnotics like ambien are really the only sleeping aids we've got.
Unless you've bought into giving headsmashingly strong neurolepts to people with no history of mental disorders... as a "sleeping aid".
Go ahead. I'll wait. And no, melatonin isn't for acute insomnia, it's something youre supposed to take at bedtime, not if you wake up in the middle of the night.
I'm not sure where your post came from because I did not say that it isn't a sleeping aid.
If were talking about acute insomnia, what are the "milder" medications which aren't hypnotic (and thus probably benzo derivatives)?
Trazadone for one. There are others. Please do some research if you're going to share opinions on the topic.
I've been having this issue since before you were a glittery in your father's ballsack.
That's a single medication I've bet you've never even seen irl but desperately googled. You argued "**MOST sleeping pills aren't benzos/derivatives".
If you understood medicine or chemistry you'd understands that a medication with a half-life of upwards of ten hours isn't good for acute insomnia. They also prescribe quetiapine for slight insomnia. And the fact that sentence tells you nothing is what horrifies me as a part of this world.
So, go ahead, list all the other plentiful ones. Becauses I've eaten all of them. Most probably before you could even walk.
Please do some research if you're going to share opinions on the topic.
You sure are clinging emotionally to this. I take trazodone and it's not the first sleep medication I have used.
So nice try, but way off the mark.
We're not talking about your personal experience.
The average half-life of trazodone is 10-12 hours. It's not something that's good for acute insomnia, as I've said, several times. Do you not understand the condition we're talking about? Perhaps Google it or something?
So, what are the "much milder and more commonly used ones", when Ambien and other benzo-derivatives and benzos themselves are factually very commonly used medications for acute insomnia.
They are not factually very commonly used for acute insomnia. You are starting from a place of fiction.
Yes, they are. Ambien is common as fuck and so are other benzo family medications,
Pharmacological Treatment of Insomnia
#Treatment
The recommended sequence of medication trials is:
Short- or intermediate-acting benzodiazepine receptor agonists (BzRAs)
You're still avoiding naming the “much milder and more commonly used ones”, when Ambien and other benzo-derivatives and benzos themselves are factually very commonly used medications for acute insomnia.
Hydroxazine is an antihistamine (in the same family as diphenhydramine) which is frequently prescribed for anxiety relief and as a sleep aid. It is safe and usually well tolerated. While there is addiction potential like there is for diphenhydramine, it is far far less addictive than benzos. An adult can safely take up to 100mg up to 4 times per day for anxiety relief. I can't find dosages for insomnia anywhere but that probably because most people get completely knocked out by 30-50mg let alone 100mg. For reference, I'm a 260lb dude and 50mg will take me from anxiety attack to entirely unconsious in less than 30 minutes; a friend of mine says 25mg is enough to knock them out. Being an anticholinergic drug it isn't great for long term use but it is still a whole lot better in that regard than benzos.
I know from my mother who is a nurse midwife that high dosages of hydroxazine are frequently given to women in labor when it's going to be several hours until the baby actually starts ariving to let them sleep through most of the labor. If it can make someone sleep through labor pains I can't imagine insomnia it couldn't handle.
Sleeping pills last longer. Why get up and smoke when you could be asleep?
If you wake up at 4 am and have to get up at 6.30, taking a hit and being able to go back to bed instantly and wake up in a few hours is much more practical than taking a sleeping pill, waiting 30 min for it to kick in and then not being able 2 hours later because the half-life of sleeping pills is at least 6 hours (for ambien) to 8-12 (imovane and most benzos) to 20+ hours (quetiapine, mirtazapine).
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