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[-] Beaver@hexbear.net 65 points 6 months ago

"The CCP (Chinese Communist Party) is abusing RISC-V to get around U.S. dominance of the intellectual property needed to design chips"

Malding so hard that China is using an open standard for it's intended purpose.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 31 points 6 months ago

DOD finding out China uses USB 😡😡

[-] wheresmysurplusvalue@hexbear.net 29 points 6 months ago

Universal Serial Bus

che-no

American Serial Car

che-si

[-] SwitchyWitchyandBitchy@hexbear.net 1 points 6 months ago

Packet size: tiny. Energy per bit: fucking huge.

[-] RedWizard@hexbear.net 52 points 6 months ago

Pretty reasonable comment section. This is just as stupid as the TikTok conversation. RISK-V could be a real game changer, something that is ultimately good for business, but the rabid Sinophobes of America would rather stab themselves in the gut than do any real competition.

The entire computer stack is beholden to open standards. We'd be living in proprietary hell, and computers would be dog shit without them. Hexbear would only exist as a dial in BBS or Usenet instance.

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 31 points 6 months ago
[-] Frank@hexbear.net 20 points 6 months ago

Right? Don't threaten me with a good time!

[-] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago

https://enigma-bbs.github.io/features/

I wonder if it lets you play Legend of the Red Dragon or Usurper

[-] someone@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Legend of the Red Dragon or Usurper

Why you gotta make me feel old like that?

Also, this has got me seriously thinking about running a doorgame system for the good people here. Mostly because I haven't played Tradewars 2002 in literally decades and I feel an itch to do so.

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

That's pretty sweet.

[-] RedWizard@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Shit that looks so cool. I was maybe 10 years to late to experience the BBS scene.

[-] blashork@hexbear.net 43 points 6 months ago

Lmao clown shit. RISCV is good, but it would be really funny if China went all in on loongson just to make the US cope even harder.

[-] Beaver@hexbear.net 25 points 6 months ago

I'd be curious to see a comparison between the two. Since RISC-V was designed with educational use in mind, I kinda worry about its long-term suitability and ability to compete with other standards.

[-] SwitchyWitchyandBitchy@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago

I remember seeing what looked like a good faith criticism of RISC-V from a computer architecture engineer where she argued that a few details of the ISA weren't going to be as good for implementing extremely high performance designs as the way the latest ARM ISA did things. But I don't know to what degree that will hold RISC-V back or if it will be changed in some of the many permutations of the ISA as it is now being scaled up to high performance and probably soon extremely high performance. But last I heard, Longsoon chips had matched Intel's current CPUs in some IPC tests, though they don't clock very high and the tested chip was only 4c/8t so overall performance wasn't great. That's still far ahead of where RISC-V is right now in terms of desktop computing.

[-] TeddyKila@hexbear.net 1 points 6 months ago

I had thought that the latest longsoon chips were based off of a modified AMD design.

[-] blashork@hexbear.net 1 points 6 months ago
[-] TeddyKila@hexbear.net 1 points 6 months ago

Turns put I was misremembering coverage of this hygon chip.

[-] volcel_olive_oil@hexbear.net 43 points 6 months ago

Chinese people can know and remember things and facts - but at what cost?

[-] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 38 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Well you see, RISC-V is a royalty-free ISA and an open standard, and is therefore *gasp* communist.

Or something like that.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 6 months ago

I kinda hope that the killer clowns in charge of the US will force US companies to stop using RISC-V based architecture while the rest of the world moves on.

[-] Tabitha@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

liberty-weeping RISC-V? sounds RISK-Y!!!

[-] FuckBigTech347@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 6 months ago

Can't wait to see all the tech bros training their LLMs on superior western ~~Tube-~~ Intel/ARM-based computers while claiming that chinese RISC-V/LoongArch systems are worse because backdoors and communist spies.

[-] Ocommie63@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 6 months ago

When i see this headline all I hear is a babies cry.

[-] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 24 points 6 months ago

America is an enemy of everything open and free.

[-] Tabitha@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

I can't wait for term tankie to be expanded to now include ubuntu users.

[-] Zvyozdochka@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago

Yea, good luck with that, go kick rocks. The Yanks are getting real scared of SMIC now, their first round of sanctions made China go from having decent semiconductor production capabilities to being able to compete with offerings from TSMC in like half a year and it will only keep getting better. America has sealed it's own fate, as is usual.

xi-lib-tears

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 17 points 6 months ago

lol this should backfire so hard.

The only way to limit access to an open standard is to take it over and change the next version so it's now de facto proprietary. This is how ISO was corrupted when it came to docx. And this will mean nothing unless there's a ton of new processors out there using the new standard (let's call it RISC-VI) and it's so much better that anyone using RISC-V loses out.

Realistically, all this can do is make China rush even harder to produce RISC-V chips and ensure the actual chips that exist are using the open standard.

[-] huf@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

china should preemptively release RISC-VI (named after lenin of course).

[-] alexandra_kollontai@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago

This is how ISO was corrupted when it came to docx.

Do you have any links to more info on this? Sounds interesting and I want to know more.

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago

This seems like an okay overview: https://brattahlid.wordpress.com/2012/05/08/is-docx-really-an-open-standard/

Basically ODF was already a standard and perfectly sufficient to tweak for anything Word would ever need but Microsoft knew that they keep their monopoly secure, in part, by making other software fight to be compatible with Word documents. They also prefer to be in control of the entire ecosystem rather than implementing a shared standard. They proposed docx and other -x formats as their own open standard and were rejected until they more or less bought off ISO through donations and committee positions.

Microsoft then proceeded to make their own proprietary tweaks anyways, making it still very difficult to support the docx format.

[-] POKEMONGOTOTHEGULAG@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Oh no, what will China do without a basic-ass instruction set that has less complexity than most 8-bit microcontroller archs???

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

Inb4 US starts investigating the Sun for giving China free light.

[-] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 6 months ago

China is not making relations easier, with a report yesterday finding that Chinese universities have been sidestepping sanctions on Nvidia GPUs.

Lol

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago

Dumbest cold war ever. I hate this.

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