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[-] weariedfae@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Man I'm a progressive and even I can tell this is propaganda.

Also, missed a bunch of presidents? Bush 1 after Reagan. Lyndon B, Nixon, Ford and CARTER between Kennedy and Reagan.

I obviously agree with the overall message (that "both sides" is and always has been bullshit) but c'mon man.

Edit: like, you could put the actual campaign goals and summarized impacts and then it would be a real infographic. Like "passed tax cuts for top _% of income earning Americans" "repealed gun laws". It's still cherry picking and biased but that's what moves something like this out of the realm of propaganda and into I dunno...something more like biased news? Bias isn't inherently bad, obviously when you're trying to have an argument you have a side and an agenda.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 points 6 months ago

political memes are propaganda. all of them. always have been always will.

there are no exceptions, only examples which oppress and exploit more or less.

something this sublemmy needs to get into its head.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Man I'm a progressive and even I can tell this is propaganda.

Aw man, you saw right through it!

I was told you progressives were smart but you caught this propaganda in no time! And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for you meddling progressives!!

[-] weariedfae@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Ok how else would you word that I'm on the political "side" of the meme and still call it out for being kinda shitty by misrepresenting the 'other side' in a way that undermines the credibility of the message?

I did not expect this to blow up and made an offhand criticism that used a cliche literary device before heading out for the day. I apologize for getting tripped up when information is misleading or inaccurate, it's a condition, and obviously I am long overdue at the gulag

Y'all take stuff way too seriously on the Internet.

[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

I would argue that you know it's propaganda because you are progressive.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

Edit: like, you could put the actual campaign goals and summarized impacts and then it would be a real infographic.

The point of a meme is to be short and punchy, not academic.

[-] Hux@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

This like watching the trope of “Republicans are evil, and Democrats can’t govern” play out in realtime.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

We're here for memes, not to RaRa your campaign.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Yes, yes, I'm well aware of the position of your kind. "Only memes that agree with me or empower fascism are allowed."

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[-] djsoren19@yiffit.net 2 points 6 months ago

Sure seems like bOtH SiDeZ have started blatantly lying for their propoganda, and are trying their damnedest to villify the other by pretending that they are perfect. If you're demanding unquestioning loyalty, you're a fascist regardless of your label.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

Okay, I get what you're saying, but to call the Affordable Care Act "Universal Healthcare" is like calling one of those meal boxes from Taco Bell an all-you-can-eat buffet

[-] UNY0N@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

While I do agree with what you say, the post is about goals, not achievements. It's an important distinction, and Obama did have universal healthcare as a goal.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jun/11/obama-administration-universal-healthcare-reform

[-] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

You left 'exterminating Palestinians' off that last one.

[-] ObsidianZed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

To be fair, I don't believe Trump's goal is more money for rich people.

I believe it's more money for himself but to do that he works towards more money for rich people because those rich people will in turn support and fund him further.

He's too damn selfish to actually consider people, rich or not.

[-] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago

Not even money, I have no doubt he just wants to be president to get out of all the rape and fraud accusations running against him.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

A huge part of Clinton's deficit reduction was eviscerating welfare with the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act. He also made a lot of money for rich people by repealing the Glass-Steagall Act, which directly let to the 2008 financial collapse. Also, Obamacare is not Universal Healthcare; Obama would have needed to keep the Public Option for it to be considered universal coverage. He also made a lot of money for rich people through TARP.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

Define "huge"

[-] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I would like to see a more accurate one that actually just listed passed and proposed legislation for each one instead of just circlejerk fodder.

[-] tearsintherain@leminal.space 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Clinton is one of the worst. The party went, can't beat 'em, might as well join em.

Clinton essentially fulfilled some of the great Republican dreams of deregulation. See Glass-Stegall how he joined hands with Republicans. Which you can then fast forward to the banking and financial crisis that hit the world and screwed economies and brought austerity programs worldwide.

Dare ya to read up on all the congressional stock trading from not just Repubs but very much Dems as well.

The party went fully corporate with Clinton.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -1 points 6 months ago

It's not the 90s anymore. Right now the most pro-union president in history is running against a literal fascist.

[-] tearsintherain@leminal.space 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I don't disagree but it bears repeating. If you ignore the past, you never learn from it. You get repetition. Control of the narrative very much influences the present and therefore, the future.

The devastating illegal war in Iraq was not only costly to human life, but also to the social and economic damage to Iraq and the US afterwards. Ironically it helped create a more virulent terrorism in the region where there was none before. Falsified reports of terrorists in Iraq were a reason for the war mongers and war profiteers to go all out Dr. Strangelove and justify the war.

The financial crisis and the toll it took and its after effects weave right into life today. No one was charged, Bernie Madoff was a perfect fall guy for an entire financial and banking industry that fought against any changes to the way of doing things.

Obama's admin basically helped enshrine "Too big to fail" and they all got away with the damage they wrought.

Never any repercussions or prosecutions or accountability for people bringing humans to the brink, to one abyss or another. Whether it was Reagan and Iran-Contra, or even Clinton being impeached for lying under oath and obstruction of justice. Had Clinton been impeached, perhaps Trump would never have risen. But when people see powerful people getting away with 'it', whatever it is, then that creates a future where someone like Trump will get away with 'it'. You've undermined equal under the rule of law and that has blowback.

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[-] LazyPhilosopher@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

So glad Obama gave us universal healthcare.... Oh wait.

We all know this is bullshit right? Neither the Republicans or the Democrats give a shit about anything else then making rich people more money. I'm sorry to break it to you but the Democrats aren't your friends. I know they pretended to be but they're not. They are just as much your enemy as the Republicans. 😞

[-] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca -1 points 6 months ago

We know and the point of this post is that voting for one of them and grinding down the other is a clear message of what people want. Rich dude making his friends richer should have been a no-brainer but people keep using slimy tactics like the one you are using to distract the people from that fact.

[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

Both sides are rich dudes making rich dudes richer…

[-] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca -1 points 6 months ago

One is negociating with what the people want, the other is lying and laughing while doing whatever they want.

[-] LazyPhilosopher@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

The rich people who pay them both through lobbyists know what the people actually want. We don't need to vote more clearly. 🙃

I'm not using a slimy tactic. This is my opinion. Sorry you think that not agreeing with you is slimy.

I'm a socialist. The Republican and Democratic parties are Siamese twins. They cannot survive without each other. They are completely dependent on the idea of voting for the lesser of two evils. Pretending like the Democrats actually cared about you or will do the things they say they will is an understandable coping mechanism for our situation but it's not real. 🤷

[-] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca -1 points 6 months ago

One is moving the Overton window farther to the right. And it's not like the other one is monolithic. They are forces within trying to do good but they have to negotiate with the institutions in place.

[-] LazyPhilosopher@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yep it's a ratcheting effect. The Republicans moves us to the right and the Dems don't move at all. Together they shift the Overton window to the right over time. If the Democrats weren't in on it they would move the Overton window to the left when they come into power but they never seem to. Do you know why that is? It's because they are paid by the same ultra rich people to achieve the same agendas. The rest of it is a spectacle to keep the powerless fighting amongst ourselves.

Also edit/add: love your user name.

[-] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca -1 points 6 months ago

I disagree. If the vote was clear towards the available left instead of a lack of votes, it would have an effect on the parties. It's the thinking within the democrats that they need to appeal to the right in some way because they vote way more than the left right now.

[-] LazyPhilosopher@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I mean you're free to disagree and think what you want, but it seems like the evidence points very clearly in the direction that the Dems have no intention of doing the things they say they will do.

You can believe it's just a coincidence and that if you vote harder, they'll do the things you want but history doesn't seem to agree. 🤷

Regardless of how we get there, I hope we get to a future where the US can actually have good leftist policies. Good luck ✌️

[-] FreddyDunningKruger@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 months ago

At least you named yourself appropriately. Lazy. Otherwise, you would know that Obama attempted to provide a public option for healthcare. You do realize how politics works, right? You need a certain amount of votes and support in order to pass new legislation. If you don't have enough votes on both sides of the aisle, then you change NOTHING. So yes, one side, the Democrats, tried to provide healthcare that had a public option, and the other side, the Republicans, fought tooth and nail to stop it.

And you blame Obama.

[-] LazyPhilosopher@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Personally attacking me right off the bat. Now that's a sign of intelligence! /s

So my point is that the Democrats never do what they say they will do. So pointing out that there was an unsuccessful attempt to create a public option doesn't really undermine my point. It just illustrates it for me. Because the fact remains Obama didn't not bring universal healthcare to the USA. I wish he had. I also wish he would have closed Guantanamo Bay like he promised. But again the Democrats just say nice things they don't do them.

I hate the Republicans too. I don't attribute anything good to them. The I just don't pretend that the Democrats actually care about working class Americans.

I don't have a particular axe to grind with Obama but if you need help seeing him as a charismatic individual who works against us on behalf of capital I recommend you look into how he downplayed the lead poisoning in flint Michigan https://youtu.be/AjugN-nUHh8?si=w_PTMd1QXzS47rQW

If you need help seeing the Democrats as a whole as ruthless and against you i recommend you read about their pied Piper strategy https://theweek.com/speed-reads/1015258/the-pied-piper-strategy#:~:text=In%20Maryland%2C%20Pennsylvania%2C%20Colorado%2C,It%20also%20might%20backfire%20spectacularly.

Good luck rude stranger ✌️😎

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Anyone that says Biden isn't doing anything is blind.

[-] fiend_unpleasant@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

He sure is sucking zionist dick really hard. Some would say too hard.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Or most likely not reading truthful news.

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[-] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 6 months ago

OK who let the DNC get a lemmy.world account

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -1 points 6 months ago

Sorry, it can't be tankies all day every day.

[-] FontMasterFlex@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

God, go back to fucking Reddit.

[-] Spazz@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 6 months ago
[-] PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 months ago

bro is working overtime 😭

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[-] FontMasterFlex@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

tell me with a straight face your life is better off under Biden than 4 years ago. or 8 years ago under Obama. This "meme" is so fucking stupid acting like no republican did anything good, or that no democrat did anything bad. If you believe that you're a fucking idiot that can't be helped.

[-] FontMasterFlex@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

How on earth can that be construed as a "Trumper" statement? He really does live rent free in your head, doesn't he?

[-] daltotron@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

yeah, I am quickly walking towards the door here, because these are the posts that get the most engagement, and quite obviously nothing about this platform has solved the core problems at the heart of reddit. Ooh, avoid the IPO, federation is so nice, sure, whatever, but then everything is still a horrible echo chamber where there's no room for nuance. Maybe even more of an echo chamber than previously, because of federation, I dunno, hard to tell. Makes me want to not be here, though.

[-] FontMasterFlex@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

Yeah, it's a fucking cesspool of ideological nonsense here.

[-] Gluten6970@lemm.ee -1 points 6 months ago

And yet people's lives haven't improved much, if at all, in quite some time. The war machine is also still marching forward; we spend billions on things that don't actually improve the lives of the average person. Both sides of the aisle are bought and you can't just ignore that. With all of that said, I'm still voting for Biden, but only because I'm forced to due to how unbelievably fucked our system is.

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