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[-] Windex007@lemmy.world 63 points 6 months ago

I'm really confused about the arguments around this, being that things like apostrophes and hyphens have special meanings in databases.

Yes, they do... But there are incredibly mature standard practices around how to store and query this type of data so that it isn't a problem.

Hyphens and apostrophes aren't uncommon in surnames. Is anyone suggesting banning those?

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 5 points 6 months ago

Yes, please

[-] ericjmorey@programming.dev 38 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

"All punctuation will be considered but avoided where possible because street names and addresses, when stored in databases, must meet the standards set out in BS7666.

"This restricts the use of punctuation marks and special characters (e.g. apostrophes, hyphens and ampersands) to avoid potential problems when searching the databases as these characters have specific meanings in computer systems."

This seems like a dumb line of reasoning. The problem has never been the signs or punctuation in a database. It's that the people in charge don't even know what BS7666 even says.

[-] Lmaydev@programming.dev 8 points 6 months ago

We have a piece of legacy software and we have to replace certain symbols in text values as there's manual SQL construction everywhere and none of it uses parameters.

[-] colournoun@beehaw.org 16 points 6 months ago

Ah, yes, I live on “St Mary’ ; DROP TABLE street”

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 10 points 6 months ago

"we call it Drop street for short"

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 4 points 6 months ago

I thought it's the standard's name that fits the situation, but it appears to be humans at a blame as usual

[-] porgamrer@programming.dev 24 points 6 months ago

How did they ask all these random people and not bother to ask a single software engineer?

"Hi is this excuse real, or is it just a sign of an inappropriate relationship between the local council and a dodgy software company that pays more dividends than developers? Oh it's the latter? Okay, thanks."

[-] TootSweet@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Wait, is this about SQL injection? Are they admitting that If I paste a piece of paper that says '; drop table streets; -- over their street sign it'll fuck all their shit up?

If so, this is not a problem that should be fixed by changing the street signs.

Or is the problem that they've got people with limited technical skill manually constructing SQL queries to search these "geographical databases" and not knowing how to properly escape them?

Or did some intern developer neglect to use a parameterized query and something broke and the management chain at the North Yorkshire Council who don't even know what pebkac stands for heard "apostraphies are the problem?"

Maybe they've got some image recognition thing on their mail trucks and the apostrophies mess up the otherwise-monospace letter spacing?

Whatever the case, the whole idea of taking the apostrophies off the signs seems ridiculous to me.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

So North Yorkshire Council just announced to the whole world that its systems are vulnerable to SQL injection and it's easier to replace the signs than to fix the software?

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 points 6 months ago

Time to upgrade their systems to support UTF8.

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[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 6 points 6 months ago

Probably interpolated strings are used in their DB queries. But instead of fixing the code, it's probably cheaper to fix the road-signs. Seems to me like they need to overhaul their IT system.

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[-] Sizzler@slrpnk.net 5 points 6 months ago

Half the yoofs in yorks, "picks up a screwdriver, whistling. " Off to grab some limited edition street signs lads""

[-] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)
[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 4 points 6 months ago

Good luck writing Yorkshire dialect without t ‘umble apostrophe, dick’eads

[-] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 months ago

One of my favourite Yorkshire dialect jokes is how "tin tin tin" can mean the complete sentence "It isn't in the tin"

[-] kalpol@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

And to think Butt Hole Road used to be in Doncaster

[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

"If you start losing things like that then everything goes downhill doesn't it?"

Is this a joke? I wish, but I doubt it.

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 14 points 6 months ago

They have a point, though. It's digital representation that should reflect real world, not the other way around.

In the same way I can totally imagine truncating street signs with names too long for a char(16) field someone came up with when creating a DB. Reminds me of people making logistics software and limiting Zip codes to be 6 digits.

[-] Droechai@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

In this case the digital representation reshapes the real world and that makes me uneasy and weird feeling for some reason

Edit: was meant to post to the post above yours

[-] Droechai@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

In this case the digital representation reshapes the real world and that makes me uneasy and weird feeling for some reason

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