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submitted 6 months ago by lennybird@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

Lord Cameron said while he would not support a major ground offensive in the Gazan city of Rafah, the UK would not copy US plans to stop some arms sales.

He said the UK supplies just 1% of Israel's weapons and warned Israel must do more to protect civilians and allow humanitarian aid through.

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[-] athos77@kbin.social 60 points 6 months ago

Why would anyone listen to anything said by the man who singlehandedly created Brexit?

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 38 points 6 months ago

And fucked a pig.

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 7 points 6 months ago

Because he has such power that he could create an obvious insanity by convincing at least half of the population that it is good.

[-] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Wasn't Cameron against Brexit?

IIRC he stepped down after the vote specifically because he had supported remain, and the vote went for leave, so he felt he couldn't lead what he'd voted against.

[-] Person264@lemmings.world 2 points 6 months ago

He was, and was part of the reason remain failed because they thought it would be an easy win

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Sucks because I've appreciated his support for Ukraine as of late.

He's simply wrong on this, however.

Edit: wtf? Are there really supporters of fascist Putin in here?

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 38 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

"Just to simply announce today that we will change our approach on arms exports, it would make Hamas stronger and it would make a hostage deal less likely," he adds.

... But it would SAVE civilians and force Israel to reevaluate their blatantly low standard for collateral damage.

That Cameron simply thinks "hammering more aid" into Gaza can offset the destruction of 500-2000lb bombs in densely-populated civilian centers needs to be called out head-on by reporters and activists.

At the end of the day, Israel has committed the equivalent of well over 20 if not 30 October 7ths in terms of the death and destruction to innocent civilian lives. REGARDLESS of Hamas' actions, it speaks more on Israel that they don't value the alleged human shields Hamas supposedly uses at every strike Israel makes.

[-] Therealgoodjanet@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

Considering October 7 had 695 civilian deaths (of a total of 1139 deaths) we are seeing a much higher than 30 times Oct7 numbers. It’s more like 50 times (35,000+ deaths in Gaza).

Even if you would count all killed adult men to be Hamas (~70% of deaths are women and children), the number would still be 35 times higher than the death toll of Israelis on Oct 7.

And we’re not even taking into account the number killed by friendly fire on that day.

[-] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

Not to forget that there is about 10,000 people in Gaza stilling missing in the rubble. Plus even if everyone received adequate food and water today, there will still be hundreds if not thousands dying from injuries and malnutrition as they don't get adequate medical care.

So even if everything stopped right now. The real death toll is likely more in the range of 45,000 people killed and we need to consider more to be alive, but destined to die because of the inhumane conditions the entire population of Gaza is suffering by the hands of Israel and its allies.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

If we stop the Genocide Hamas wins guys

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.de 9 points 6 months ago

Isn't that convenient.

[-] Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

"I'm shaking my fist very angrily, Israel! You better watch out!"

[-] mhague@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

The more you give Israel the greater their scope. It's completely obvious that you can attempt to limit their ambitions while still allowing them to defend themselves and engage in limited geopolitical maneuvers. They are not going to bet everything on manifest destiny at the expense of self defense and keeping terrorist groups in check. Make Israel have less and they will prioritize accordingly.

[-] Visstix@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

How the fuck do they not have enough weapons yet?

[-] Amoxtli@thelemmy.club 1 points 6 months ago

Even without arms sales, Hamas is still much weaker than Israel. To put things in perspective, the Oct. 7 militant attack consisted of about 2,900 fighters. The people, they killed 1,139 people. Presumably, all 2,900 militants armed. The memberships of Hamas are estimated at 20,000 or 25,000. Perhaps as high as 30,000. Hamas is not an existential threat to Israel. Hamas is considered a terrorist organization, not a standing army with modern weapons and heavy equipment. It is like saying Al-Qaeda could take over the entire United States. The threat is simply not there. Al-Qaeda are like flies, the US military is like Godzilla.

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