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Spread Out: How To Speed Up Lemmy (lemmy.fediverse.observer)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by miles@discuss.online to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

There are many lemmy instances in the world, but currently most people are using lemmy.world. This is why everything has gotten so slow.

You don't have to delete your lemmy.world account, but check out https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/map it's a geo-based map of lemmy instances -- explore stuff nearest you, pick one, sign up, search , subscribe and begin interacting with your favorite communities. It's easy, free and it will be faster. Try it!

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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Something like this needs to be incorporated by devs at the UX onboarding level if you want success.

During mass migration times, you need to really hold new users hands to curate a path towards community ideals. Needs to be as easy as clicking boxes to attempt to create accounts on multiple instances and then app defaults to the local option to start, or something similar.

You'll only get a few crumbs here and there from dedicated people if it's that manual of a process.

[-] d_cent@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Wouldn't this put me at risk of that smaller instance defederizing and removing everything I contribute while logged in to that instance?

[-] BlackCat@lemmy.myserv.one -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is whats kind of not clear to me. While its clear what the benefit is for lemmy.world or some instance you move from, its less clear what the benefit for the individual moving is such as myself. I have more risk, its a hassle, the smaller server might itself get overloaded or break. Sometimes it feels ‘safer in numbers’. Unsure. Feels like I would be best off if everyone else moved and took on the risk while I stayed and reaped the benefits of them reducing the load rather than me doing it.

[-] IceQuest@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I tried to migrate to another instance by rejoining the same communities as this account. However I can't seem to find some of the communities anymore through the other instance's search page. There's no indication that there's any defederation going on.

I still have no idea what a proper community joining process is. I just go to the search page, type it in and scroll through the random comments until I find a link to a community.

If only I could just copy the community link, right now it'll just open up with lemmy.world again, so I have to go through the other instance's search page. Please let me know if there's a guide of any kind.

Edit: Ok you need to manually type the URLs. E.g. if you wanted to open this community on lemmy.ml, type "lemmy.ml/c/fediverse@lemmy.world"

That's a kinda clunky experience ngl. How is the average normie going to feel about appending URLs in the address bar tho.

[-] Xyre@lemmus.org 0 points 1 year ago

I think the concerns about smaller instances are valid (as I post from lemmus.org). Some additional data points to consider when evaluating an instance would be whether they're running a recent version and the uptime of the instance.

It'd probably be a good idea to have a page that promotes these smaller instances that 'score' well to help distribute some of the load.

[-] app_priori@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I would add that the risk of joining a small server is that the owner can suddenly delete them at any time and you would have to start all over again elsewhere. Best thing to do is to make an account on the large instances only.

[-] muddybulldog@mylemmy.win 1 points 1 year ago

Lemmy.world has only existed for a month. Why the confidence that it’s here to stay?

[-] Coelacanth@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's run through the Open Collective, and is also run by Ruud who runs one of the larger Mastodon instances as well as some other stuff on the Fediverse I believe. They're a fairly trusted actor in the space and I think pretty transparent with everything they do which is probably another reason many people flocked there.

[-] sudoreboot@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago

Open Collective is a funding platform unaffiliated with l.w

[-] poVoq@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There is a very large range between tiny instance that can disappear overnight and "large instance". The large instances are actually more likely to disappear as their hosting costs are beyond what a small group of admins can pay out of their own pocket easily, so they vitally depend on donations and that can break down easily for many reasons.

[-] app_priori@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I disagree. The large Mastodon instances have managed to survive for a while on donations. I haven't seen a large Mastodon instance go kaput (though you can correct me if I'm wrong).

[-] poVoq@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

There were certainly some that had to close registrations as their donation base was insufficient for the number of users trying to sign up. And others were sold to very questionable companies as they couldn't finance themselves otherwise.

But that wasn't my argument. We are talking about things that can go wrong with instances. Just because you didn't see any large instances go down in this "nice weather" period, doesn't mean they are resilient to serious shocks.

A small to medium sized instance that is basically run as a hobby by a few admins and is optimized for being cheap enough to not need donations is the much more sustainable and resilient instance.

[-] app_priori@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah but then you run into the risk of federation/defederation politics. We've already have had a major instance defederate.

[-] sudoreboot@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That is why you would want to choose an instance that aligns with your values, so that if they defederate, it is to your benefit.

[-] BlackCat@lemmy.myserv.one 0 points 1 year ago

I joined https://lemmy.myserv.one but I have to resubscribe to all my communities? How can you avoid this and have it automatic?

[-] twistedtxb@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That's exactly what preventing me from switching to a more obscure instance. I don't want to redo my subs all over again

[-] BlackCat@lemmy.myserv.one 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Kind of a big drawback and not the original impression I got when told all instances are federated so its the same everywhere and doesnt matter….

Switching might benefit lemmy.world but it was inconvenient and didnt benefit me much. The content is the same after resubbing but was a hassle. Unclear if I gained much personally doing it.

[-] RedWizard@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

The benefit for you is that you will be in a low traffic instance. All the content you load will be loaded from that instance, not lemmy.world. So for you the content loads faster.

Like, I'm replying to you from lemmygrad.ml, and I'm never actually connecting to lemmy.world, and no content is loaded in real time from Lemmy.world. this comment will be synced back to lemmy.world and then synced out to everyone else that's subscribed.

But if 90% of people are on Lemmy.world then naturally it's going to run like ass.

[-] _cerpin_taxt_@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

So can I just start running my only instance on my home server and just let only a few friends use it, then federate with the rest?

[-] bluesydney@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

An export/import for "subscribed" communities would encourage a lot of people to do this.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] Qiz@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Can you link the post? I’m not able to find it.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I think it was this one?

[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

There needs to be a "MigrationPub" spec to export your info to be ready to import into another user login.

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