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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by muddybulldog@mylemmy.win to c/youshouldknow@lemmy.world

Edit: obligatory explanation (thanks mods for squaring me away)...

What you see via the UI isn't "all that exists". Unlike Reddit, where everything is a black box, there are a lot more eyeballs who can see "under the hood". Any instance admin, proper or rogue, gets a ton of information that users won't normally see. The attached example demonstrates that while users will only see upvote/downvote tallies, admins can see who actually performed those actions.

Edit: To clarify, not just YOUR instance admin gets this info. This is ANY instance admin across the Fediverse.

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[-] muddybulldog@mylemmy.win 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes.

Just muddling around I've built queries that: (a) list all of my post & comments, everybody who voted on them, and their votes (b) tally how many times specific users have upvoted or downvoted me. (c) identifies the most prolific voters across the Fediverse and the communities they are voting in (d) identifies users with the same username or display name across all instances and correlates the activities across those accounts.

These are all for the sake of learning and are innocuos the way I'm using them. It is plain to see that someone with skills and an agenda could make more out of it than I have.

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[-] moonwalker@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

What about private messages? We should assume the person running the instance can read all private messages.

[-] muddybulldog@mylemmy.win 13 points 1 year ago

Yes. While I see no reason that private message would exist anywhere other than the instance of the sender and receiver, the admins of those instances CAN see the contents of the message and whether or not they have been read.

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[-] trouser_mouse@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I think this is to be expected - some instances have downvotes disabled but that doesn't seem to be the rule of thumb.

There are quite a few questions about data retention, usage, retrieval, compliance and how it is shared which will need to be addressed as the platform grows.

Countdown for this to be monetised by someone.

[-] stagen@feddit.dk 12 points 1 year ago

I'm fine with it too. Don't think I'd be here if I wasn't okay with sharing these sort of things. If I wanted privacy for my upvotes or downvotes (why tho?), I'd do it anonymously.

And yeah, I upvoted the beans as well. Ate beans 90% of the time as a student. Still farting from it 20 years later.

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[-] y5d@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'd be really shocked if they recorded IP addresses as well.

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[-] stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

ITT: we muddy the waters and people get scared because they don’t know how deep they are anymore despite standing in it

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[-] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Good to know but I always assume everything is public on the internet.

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 11 points 1 year ago

I agree that this is a good fit for YSK, however, I think it's important to keep in mind that privacy isn't a main goal of the system. It's designed to distribute the cost and responsibility and be difficult to take down or influence as a whole network, but it does not appear to be designed to hide user activities.

In fact, I propose that we keep this information publicly listed so that users are under no illusion that their interaction with Lemmy is private. Transparency and communication prevents misunderstandings.

[-] Wander@yiffit.net 11 points 1 year ago

If you want privacy on the fediverse, use an alias. It's as easy as that. This is akin to the old adage "don't tell your real name on the internet" which Facebook destroyed.

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