The worst part about criticizing Israel and Biden is the quality of people who think you agree with them on other stuff...
I criticize both a lot, and have gotten some horrendous replies from people who assume we share other beliefs.
Against genocide -> antisemitic
Against antisemitism -> islamophobic
Shame on you OP, shame on you.
Zionism =/= Judaism
I hate Zionism, and while I am not Jewish, I have a few friends of that faith and I will not see them slandered, mocked, or made to feel unwelcome in this world.
Same here. I am partly jewish. My great grandmother died in the Holocaust. And I am very anti zionist. And definitely not antisemitic. I have a ton of books on jewish life and history.
Reminder that Zionism was built upon antisemitic myths of Jews and non-Jews cannot live together.
I think most people can separate Jewish people from genocide from the country of Israel.
The only people confusing the issue want to make it an issue. Quashing pro-Palestine protests claiming they’re anti-Semitic when they’re not. Questioning the country of Israel’s actions is anti-Semitic when it’s not.
The only people confusing the issue want to make it an issue.
This is key.
There are people who are anti-Semitic, and there are people who are islamophobic, and those people all view the opposition as sub-human. They will don't want peace because they want to win.
And then there are the people who benefit from the conflict, and will stoke the fires on both sides. They don't care who wins, who dies, who suffers, because while there is violence and death, they can benefit themselves.
Any progressive engaged in a discussion needs to recognize whether they are talking to a zealot or a profiteer. The former might be reasoned with. Supporters of Israel or Hamas might be shown the error in their thought process.
I'm a professional hater, I spread hate all over the world
If I was Israeli leadership, I:
Wouldn't have ignored clear, specific intelligence reports warning of an imminent attack.
Would've had stronger border security, if national security was truly a concern. (what good did all that IDF do if not at the point of entry of their most imminent threat?)
Wouldn't have played into Hamas' hand and retaliated in knee-jerk macho-man authoritarian fashion. In the event I didn't prevent October 7th I wouldn't have invaded Gaza but instead condition Palestinian statehood on Fata or PA taking over while simply utilizing the military forces committed to invasion to defending the narrow border.
Wouldn't have committed dozens of October 7ths against the civilian population in response, dwarfing the original terrorist attack.
Wouldn't have created the conditions for radicalization to fester in the first place by, you know, annexing land, killing more civilians both pre and post October 7th, imposing blockades, and actually supporting the most radical groups while ignoring the less-radical (reminds me of how the US handled Syria).
Nuttyyahoo's actions are so counterintuitive I have to question whether this is all just an example of the shock doctrine.
but instead condition Palestinian statehood on Fata or PA taking over while simply utilizing the military forces committed to invasion to defending the narrow border.
But the whole point of Israel nurturing Hamas was to destroy the authority of Fatah and the PA so they WOULDN'T have to negotiate for an actual two-state solution.
And the whole point of ignoring the intelligence about the impending attack was to have an excuse to flatten Gaza. At this point I wonder if Israel even needed an excuse, considering the shit they're getting away with anyway
Don't forget the bonus benefit of getting Trump elected!
I don't think the problem is the lack of real progressiveness, I think the problem is with an attempt to gaslight it from both extremes. Just got banned from worldnews (again) on completely gaslit reasons because of criticism I was making against the Act.IL remnants operating over there. Downvoting into oblivion isn't enough for them anymore.
I've also noticed comparable instances of shadow removals from the other side of the coin in worldnews@lemmy.ml where they similarly gaslit their reasons. I've sort of decided if both sides are going to be this putrid, then I'm going to step out of their propaganda wars, and gotta say, the Mossad side is rapidly losing ground regardless of the advantage they might have had.
Just want to point this out, but Palestinians are technically Semites.
I'm against both obviously, but I thought it was important to point out that the Jewish people themselves are anti-semitic for their genocide.
Just worth pointing out: the Israeli government are anti-Semitic. Many Jewish people (especially outside of Israel) are opposed to this genocide.
Hey Israel, you just got pwned.
If by "Semite" you mean "Semitic language speaking" then yes. But "Semite" isn't actually a term that's used, it's an invalid racial categorization. "Anti-semitic" in standard and common language specifically refers to bigotry against Jews
(As are all other Arabs, as well as Ethiopians and more)
Yeah, but does etymology really mean anything any more? I don't know when, how, or why antisemitic came to be used for Jews only, but that's what it means now.
also... just a wording thing...
the Jewish people themselves are anti-semitic for their genocide [emphasis mine]
That's exactly the sort of discussion the OP is trying to prevent.
If you participate in any sort of a support for Palestine group/organization/protest, please do not tolerate antisemites, deny them whatever it is they want the moment you see them. They are only going to create future problems, possibly take over whatever you're doing and make you, who have done nothing wrong, look bad. Paradox of tolerance!
Likewise if you look to support Jewish people who are experiencing antisemitism, don't tolerate the "nuke Gaza" types...
Nah. Embrace hatred for people who are cruel to animals.
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