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[-] lewdian69@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

You vote for Democrats but they don't win enough seats due to gerrymandering and idiot citizens...

[-] ganksy@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Thank you. This is a BS take based in ignorance of all the factors involved in getting your legislation to the president's desk. You have to vote every election all the way down the ballot or you can assume the same marginal success. (Edit autocorrect)

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

no wonder, with the "factors" being the elections being undemocratic

[-] ganksy@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Yes you're right that they are not perfectly democratic. Gerrymandering, the electoral college and representation in Congress being skewed towards land ownership all benefit Republicans. None of that will get changed through apathy. Nor will anything change pretending both sides are the same.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Look go vote, I do too, but voting is the apathetic reaction here. Its literally pressing a button to put someone you know is very compromised in charge. Its the other side of exactly the same coin, same policies and all. To that I would simply say get organizing.

And by god, the electoral college and gerrymandering combo alone put this system firmy in "not a democracy" territory. I mean they can essentially just choose the outcome of an election, makes all that theatre meaningless and I see right the fuck through it.

[-] ganksy@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

I get very wary anytime someone says both sides are the same. The same people who benefit from all the election trickery are the same ones who benefit from the two sides same coin disinformation campaign. It sows apathy. I'm not saying you're wrong that Democrats are also corporate stooges just that their policies also help the little people while the other side of the coin exclusively helps the "haves".

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

neither helps the little people, they just act like they do. the little people guy is currently financing a genocide of little people with little repercussion for him.

its like this all over the planet, the little people guy in my country is running the economy the same way the previous far right asshole did, and its currently trying to privatize prisions.

the real rulers calling the shots are the money class. those aint elected and are always helping themselves. if you don't want to be apathetic, go after them. i'm suggesting this in addition to voting, btw

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 0 points 8 months ago

If y'all are going to post an incessant drumbeat of why Biden sucks, I'm just gonna keep pasting a few of the reasons why he doesn't. It's not just that it's not his fault that the Republicans kept him from doing good things (although they did prevent him doing much more than that); even hampered by their obstruction, he still managed to among other things:

  • He took the biggest action on climate change in US history; the goal of the climate bill is to put us on track for a 40% reduction in US emissions by 2030. It’s way too late but that’s clearly not Biden’s fault since he started fighting for it basically as soon as he got into office, and managed to achieve passed legislation which is several standard deviations above the norm for “let’s ignore it until we’re underwater and on fire” US politician status quo.
  • He ordered the forgiveness of half a trillion dollars in student debt, about a third of the current total balance, and the Supreme Court told him no. He’s still managed to forgive $138 billion worth of it even against stiff Republican “no we need that money to give to Wall Street criminals pls” resistance.
  • He introduced a bill to legalize marijuana federally, which the Republicans killed in the senate.
  • He achieved the lowest unemployment in 20 years after having been handed an economy that was still digging out from the apocalypse that was 2020.

The shitshow that is supporting Israel during its accelerating genocide, I won't defend all that much. But the overall attempt to paint him as the same as the average Democrat is dead wrong. (And, for what it's worth, "the DNC as a whole and Hilary Clinton specifically are tone deaf media idiots" I'll also fully agree with.)

All the folks that like to post memes like this haven't had much success in trying to say any of the above isn't true.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 8 months ago

Biden campaigned on the notion that 'nothing fundamentally will change' - big surprise that the people who think we need fundamental systemic change aren't happy with what little he's done to paper over big issues.

Liberals are just not in alignment with leftist goals, i'm not sure why we keep pretending otherwise.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 0 points 8 months ago

I know whenever a US president tries to legalize marijuana federally and spend a trillion dollars on student loan forgiveness and climate change and more or less doubles the amount of tax Amazon is paying, I'm like "wow, nothing is changing."

I would love a Bernie Sanders person who would do more. Do you know what Trump might do if he wins the election to Bernie Sanders or an activist organization who's advocating for even more systemic change?

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 8 months ago

Why would cannabis rescheduling matter to someone who thinks the climate has already crossed the carbon-feedback tipping-point and we're a decade away from mass-crop failure?

Why would forgiving a fraction of existing federally-owned student debt matter to someone who believes that capital accumulation is accelerating and locking them into a permanent state of home rental and wage slavery regardless?

If you believe that our current political climate (and the rise of fascism in the US) is a direct result of 200+ years of capital accumulation leading to very real and accelerating economic disenfranchisement of the working class, why would a politician who swears by and protects that system from fundamental change be one you are at all happy with?

'But if you don't help us beat this other guy things will only get worse!' is a pointless plea to those who believe that the system Biden is defending is what is creating the fascist movement to begin with. The people you are trying to reason with are closer to blowing up a pipeline than they are to being convinced that modest incremental change will do anything more than give fascists more time to organize their own movement.

You don't need to share that perspective to understand why those people might find the accomplishments in your list petty and ineffectual.

[-] RampageDon@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I love following you in all these posts. I actually started adding tags to people after I saw your post a few times. The tags really make it more noticeable how small a lot of these communities are when you can point out the same few people making posts and comments. I highly recommend tagging people for anyone who doesn't already.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago
[-] RampageDon@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I only use connect so I can't speak for all apps or the website but I just click someone's post/comment, hit the 3 dots and add a user note.

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