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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

I was gonna ask about the biometrics part in a separate question, but its both about security, so might as well combine it in one post.

Okay so I don't use password managers. I just try to make easy to remember passwords 3-4 random words + 3-4 random numbers. ~~Online accounts can't be brute forced anyways.~~ Edit: I mean most websites have log in limits don't they? Maybe I've been mistaken?

For offline accounts, I just increase the words and numbers. For mobile I don't use biometrics, although I've been testing whether or not I want a pin + no biometrics or alphanumeric password + biometrics. I just can't decide.

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[-] Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev 25 points 1 year ago

I use the password manager Bitwarden, but Proton Pass is looking kinda nice.

[-] pe1uca@lemmy.pe1uca.dev 5 points 1 year ago

Same with bitwarden, I recently made my wife change from google because I don't trust how they could be managing that kind of data.

[-] TheBig2023Meltdown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

What benefit could it be to Google for them to have access to your user and passwords?

Genuinely curious, I use bitwarden myself but can't see Google using their password manager for nefarious reasons

[-] pe1uca@lemmy.pe1uca.dev 3 points 1 year ago

Sure, probably they won't use it for bad purposes.
But there's nothing saying they won't use them in any way they see fit.
Maybe they could find a way to find monetize without disclosing them and anonymized, like statistics or with the update in their policy about training their models with whatever information they can get.
Maybe you have an ad blocker and AdSense can't build a profile from you, but the google already know what sites you were interested enough to make an account and could try to advertise in other ways.

And then the biggest issue: there's no mention of encryption, so who knows how they store them and where. Could an attacker read them? How are google employees prevented from reading them?

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[-] luthis@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 year ago

I'm already on Proton's other services, so I'll likely switch to Proton Pass if it looks good

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[-] Saltarello@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Open sourced password manager + open source 2fa wherever available. For password managers many will suggest Bitwarden & i recommend that to my family for its ease of use, though I personally use Keepass (because it allows me to store multiple documents & have them readily available offline. Its not as straightforward to set up sync compared to Bitwarden, which does it by default).

I would never allow a browser to store any information such as passwords, credit card info etc

On mobile I use password in conjunction with biometrics. Sensitive apps are only ever stored inside secure folder which has no biometric access & has a different password to main area of phone.

I absolutely refuse to use google/apple/samsung pay.

Please consider password manager, once you wrap your head around not knowing any of your passwords except the strong master password it becomes second nature. Get out of the pen & paper habit!

Top tip. For any new signup, once you've generated a strong password make a note within the password manager of the email address you used to sign up with (yep, get used to using multiple email accounts). When that site inevitability suffers a data breach it makes life easier when they send the change of password verification email

[-] elephantintheroom@vlemmy.net 1 points 1 year ago

Get out of my mind!

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I write my passwords down using a diamond-point scriber on a tablet of solid gold, which I keep in a secure location.

[-] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

Sounds good. Since I'm so amazed by your security, I'd like to volunter to act as security for your tablet of solid gold, would you mind telling me the location? 😉

[-] dog@suppo.fi 10 points 1 year ago

Online accounts can't be bruteforced

I'm sorry, but that's just wrong.

Majority of sites have awful security practices, not to mention massive breaches.

Get yourself either a password manager (Bitwarden is the best), or something like Yubikey + unique sentences.

Biometrics do not provide security, they're purely for convenience.

[-] ChatGPTAnswerBot@vlemmy.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I run my own instance of vaultwarden (100% compatible fork of bitwarden) and use the standard bitwarden client on Android and browser plugin in Firefox. My master password is really long and I use 16 character passwords as standard in BW. I have biometric set up for my phone just to make it a bit less hassle.

Edit: and I set up MFA wherever possible with a yubikey

[-] davysnavy@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Are you a bot?

[-] LetMeEatCake@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

This may be a dumb question and I see here as well as elsewhere that a password manager is the best option. What makes a password manager safer than managing passwords yourself? I see the efficiency and ease of us aspects, but I’m less clear on the security portion. Thank you!

[-] luthis@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago

There's plenty of vids on youtube that explain this in great detail.

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[-] Scrath@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Basically, they enable you to have a different, randomly generated and very long password for each service with minimal impact to your usability.

Personally I use keepassxc with the accompanying browser addon. When I unlock my PC and need a password, I have to enter my master passwort to unlock the database. Afterwards, until I lock my PC again or manually lock the database, I can click on a single button in my browser window to automatically fill out my login information. I do not know any of my passwords beside the master passwort.

I have yet to need the forget password option after switching to a password manager since I can always look up my passwords.

[-] gentoo_biscuit@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 year ago

Been on bitwarden a few years now. It's great

[-] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

I'm using keepass on pc and Keepass2android offline on mobile. Protected only with a big password (you can memorize it ~however long it is, as long as you sit 15mins to learn it and use it from time to time). I try to use long random passwords (made by me). I haven't uploaded my database anywhere online. I might have printed it though.🙃

For only a few logins, I've saved them on my browser.

[-] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Keepass xc and optionally syncthing

[-] omgnvq@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago

Would strongly recommend a password manager. I use bitwarden, you can use self host it or not. If you don't like bitwarden there are plenty of free options. Random password generation and sync is going to be a better practice than much else I can think of, so I'd encourage you to go for it! 😬

[-] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

I have been a paying costumer for bitwarden for couple years, but now I am planning to switch to proton pass soon. $1 for unlimited email alias is simply too good.

[-] diskape@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Do you know how long this $1 promo will last? I’m unlucky this month and can’t afford it until next month.

[-] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

no idea, actually I haven't realized it is a promotion until you mentioned it...

[-] heartlessevil@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Been using passwordstore.org for like 12 years I think

[-] zerbey@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Bitwarden for my personal stuff, KeePass for work (like to keep everything separated). Biometrics on devices that support it. I used to do what you did, and then Facebook got hacked and all my other online accounts fell like a house of cards, found out when my friend texted me asking WTF was going on and why was I posting links to porn sites everywhere. So, password manager and strong passwords for all the things. MFA is something that needs to become more common as well.

[-] FancyGUI@lemmy.fancywhale.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Self-hosted bitwarden instance with 2FA enforced through hardware key. pretty nice and relies on having the password and the hardware key.

[-] outbound@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

KeePass, synced to my VPS. The key file on exists on my phone+tablet+laptops. Its biometrically authenticated on the phone+tablet - unfortunately, its just password-protected on the Debian laptop. The VPS is automatically backed-up to a completely different cloud service every other night. In the case of catastrophe on the VPS, there'd be cached copies of the vault on my devices and I can fairly easily retrieve a timestamped copy from the cloud server.

I also use a 2FA autheticator app on the phone+tablet. Its similarly biomentrically authenticated and backed-up to the VPS/Cloud.

[-] ADandHD@vlemmy.net 2 points 1 year ago

I used a similar password method myself, but I did find many of my accounts getting hacked still. Unfortunately many online accounts can be brute forced, and using any combination of words and numbers makes for an easy dictionary attack.

I now use a password manager that I trust (1password), and a long hard to remember master password.

I do use biometrics when available, for the ease of use.

[-] jg1i@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I only pay for 2 subscriptions: 1Password for families (and Spotify)

I have 236 logins... No way I'm gonna create secure and memorable passwords for that many sites.

I use 1Password on Linux and Android.

[-] zShxck@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I manage my passwords with Bitwarden and Authy for 2FA. Another good option, is to use KeepasXC with Symcthing to have the passwords both on the pc and smartphone

[-] kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Local GPG key pair + https://www.passwordstore.org/ synced peer-to-peer between devices via https://syncthing.net/

So the key is always local but the password database is being synced between devices.

pass on its own is great already (it's basically just GPG encrypted text files with a good CLI frontend) but I make it even greater by using a slightly modified "passmenu" script which utilizes wofi (rofi for wayland) in dmenu mode to show a very fast popup of all your sites you have passwords stored for and by selecting it / pressing enter the pw gets copied into the clipboard.

[-] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Gpg? I get nervous when people say that instead of a symmetric key system. When a quantum computer powerful enough gets invented, all non-quantum resistant asymmetric encryption systems will be broken. Honestly why not just use AES 256 just in case a quantum computer gets invented?

[-] luthis@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 year ago

Lastpass for like 10+ years. I don't know how anyone can have any level of security without a manager. I have hundreds of passwords, all unique, and I never have to remember any of them.

[-] pe1uca@lemmy.pe1uca.dev 2 points 1 year ago

Doesn't Lastpass have a data breach every two months or so? I migrated last year after hearing of the second one I knew about

[-] luthis@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 year ago

It hasn't worried me too much but I'll probably switch to Proton Pass soon anyway:

All sensitive customer vault data, other than URLs, file paths to installed LastPass Windows or macOS software, and certain use cases involving email addresses, were encrypted using our Zero knowledge model and can only be decrypted with a unique encryption key derived from each user’s master password. As a reminder, end user master passwords are never known to LastPass and are not stored or maintained by LastPass – therefore, they were not included in the exfiltrated data.

[-] zerbey@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I used LastPass and then they started having data breaches every few months.

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