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Holy shit this is hard to watch.
I hear you. All you hear about is how incoherent Biden is... Bullshit. He comes across as articulate and knowledgeable here. Trump hasn't said anything at all yet. He just keeps spouting idiotic generalizations about how bad the state of the country is without any examples or proof.
Calling Biden articulate is being incredibly generous. I mean, what on earth was he trying to communicate here?
Overall, Biden put in a very lackluster, unconvincing performance while Trump did his usual schtick of rambling off topic, lying through his teeth, and refusing to answer any questions on policy. The whole thing was a shambles.
Don't forget the oughtright lies.
No, it's hard to watch because Biden needs to clear his throat and keeps drifting off.
Trump keeps not answering questions and lying and dodging.
It's all around pathetic.
One guy is slightly hoarse.
The other is a delusional fascist.
So basically both sides the same.
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I hear you. All you hear about is how incoherent Biden is… Bullshit
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During a response to a question about abortion, Biden mentioned, seemingly out of nowhere, a young woman who was recently murdered by an immigrant — an apparent reference to a 12-year-old Houston girl who was strangled to death, allegedly by two Venezuelan men who entered the country illegally.
The connection to abortion was unclear.
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Q: Will you accept the results of the election, regardless of who wins?
Trump: "...and all they want to talk about is a relatively small number of people who went to the capitol"
So far, he's twice refused to answer the question.
biden sounds like shit, but hes got all the right words. hes made a few mistakes hes quickly fixed, but no giant mistakes and lots of details.
trump is doin what trump does... throw a wall of lies loudly
I don't know, I'm for sure voting Biden, but I can't say he's doing great. He's doing a little better when he's getting riled, but he sounds old - more than three years older than Trump.
agreed, but if you imagine those words in print, its very obvious biden knows whats hes talking about.
the morals of an alley cat!
Oh, for sure. And I've worked with enough really sharp older people to know their words can get flubbed up when they're on the spot when even though their brains are sharp.
It's been shown the office ages you. But not Trump because he never took the office seriously.
Yep, agreed. Trump doesn't take anything seriously except bilking anyone he can.
Is there a video on how to unsee the debate?
"Their taking Black jobs, and their taking Hispanic jobs ..."
"What exactly is a Black or Hispanic job Mr. Trump?" should have been the follow up on that one.
He's just adding "black" to his earlier immigrant fear mongering spiel. He spewed the exact same thing to an earlier question, but he just added "black" jobs and "Hispanic" jobs to that version.
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Biden stumbled and lost the tread in the opening minutes but is doing well now.
Trump is doing a good job at being Trump. Pretty tired of him ignoring the question and talking about whatever he likes and the moderator letting him.
What even is the point of this debate? They've both had a term in office. We know how both of them actually govern the actual country. What can this debate possibly convey that the past 8 years of governance hasn't?
Whatever the point was, it’s a very sad show. Trump is a liar and Biden can’t string a sentence together.
We’re all fucked.
Yep, thats my impression as well so far.
Trump is confidently blazing through (what should be) obvious lies, while Biden is mumbling and forgetting what he is trying to say half way through saying it.
Yeah, he's getting blasted by a firehose of bullshit. Though he seems to be getting pissed off, and that seems to be helping.
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Someone down voted you but I can't imagine why. I desperately want Biden to win but he looks like shit out there. Trump, meanwhile, is confidently spouting whatever horseshit pops into his head (even had the fucking gall to call Biden a criminal). Half the government is gleefully destroying the country and the other half is letting them. I honestly don't see a way forward for this country. I don't like to be a cynic but I cannot imagine a scenario where the next four years aren't an absolute clusterfuck.
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Ok. Now how do I unwatch it?
"You have the morals of an alley cat" 😂
Trump once again confirmed support for Isreal accelerating the genocide - if you think there's no difference between their policy on Palestine, you're arguing in bad faith.
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Is it my imagination or are they moderators letting Trump go on while cutting Biden off most of the time?
I wish Biden would slow down, he's getting flustered and can't seem to find his words. Trump is just acting like it's a rally, saying whatever the hell he wants and making shit up. This is ridiculous.
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Oh my god, Trump just said "I've never seen anybody lie like this guy" and he wasn't pointing at himself.
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Trump claimed that his "Both sides" quote from Charlottesville was false... like, you're literally on tape asshat.
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holy shit that jan 6 question just dropped and as soon as trump started talking bullshit, biden just looked so so annoyed and pained lol
Trump has just flat out refused to answer several questions... the moderators have brought questions back a few time - I don't think Dana just saying "that's a lie" would be productive but I think Trump's evasion got well highlighted.
Holy fucked up choices.... Why, why, why can we not, with our vast knowledge and speed of passing information in our fancy futuristic world, do some ranked choice, or any other voting style, that would actually give us a choice we might feel we have opted for?
My mind wasn't changed on my choice I will have to make. But, wow, I feel like I might really be a responsible adult if this is what our chosen leaders look like in a live debate. I don't like this feeling. It's icky.
The reason is because republicans know they must prevent it, or they'll become extinct.
Trump still bragging about "acing" his cognitive test (the one he took to rule out dementia). Then had the gall to say "I'd like to see [Biden] take one".
Really wish Dark Brandon would have come out to play. "Woman, Man, Camera, Podium. There. That's what you keep bragging about"
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The poor performance and miserable result of this debate is not an indicator the format is bad, it is an indictment of our media circus that has given us these candidates in the first place.
This is proof our system is fucked and I hope to god we don’t “fix” this by going back to letting opponents talk all over each other just to put on ~~a good~~ an entertaining show.
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The best way to watch it is huddled in a corner, crying.
We stayed up to watch it here across the pond, made it to 10 minutes.
Seriously, WTF is going on over there? How are these two people the top candidates to represent 380 million people?
Conservative gerrymandering, court-stacking, purging voter rolls, propaganda etc
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The whiner line is pretty good. Whenever Dark Brandon takes over, Joe doesn't look so bad.
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One hilarious take-away... Trump literally doesn't know what the opioid crisis is. He completely floundered trying to respond.
Be sure to tip your fact checkers, people.
I could only make it like five minutes, but this is a great summary by the AP:
In first half hour of debate, a raspy Biden has delivered rambling answers that sometimes trail off as he defends his policies and record.
Trump has countered with falsehoods on issues including the economy, abortion and NATO members’ defense spending.
The two have also exchanged deeply personal attacks.
https://apnews.com/live/presidential-debate-2024-updates
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Biden was talking about "saving Israel" too. Despite the vast majority pissed at how he's handling it.
The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is an especially vulnerable spot for Biden. With only 26% of U.S. adults approving of his handling of the issue, it’s well below his overall approval rating (39%). In the latest AP-NORC poll, nearly 6 in 10 Democrats disapprove of his approach to the conflict.
He's completely out of touch with what voters want. I have zero idea how anyone could think risking trump as president is worth giving an 82 year old we don't want another term in office.
Why are we running someone Dem voters actually want?
That 26% of people that approve of what he's doing with Israel is all US adults, including trump supporters. It's not even 26% of Dems...
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