I would say patriotism is when you love the ideas a nation is built on and stands for, while nationalism is when you love the people and history of a nation.

As a european it's very hard to love the former, since we've been here for more than a thousand years meaning whatever ideas our forefathers might have had in mind are rightfully gone now. However over this time we developed our own culture and became a nation of people which we can love instead.

Nationalism doesn't have to be toxic as it's often depicted, if someone belives their nation is "better" that's called chauvinism. Nationalism is just when you feel your nation is special for you at least and that makes you want to better it.

Ironic if P had a bit more of N he wouldn't be absorbed that easy

Can we not do politics? I generally like the comics sub, but my exposure to politics on lemmy, social media, wherever is at such all time peak nonsensical levels that I just block all politic related subs, and would like this not to be one of them.

Also patriotism: This house sucks, and it's because of these fucking immigrants

The liberal fear of these concepts and fear of showing these beliefs is part of why establishment liberals have become such bad orators and such weak and unconvincing political parties.

These concepts have to be harnessed, that's just the nature of drawing in the middle of politics.

Politics is a luxury to focus on, there are huge swaths of work a day people who don't and can't focus on it. They need certain messages as short hand for doing the "right thing" - that's just how politics is, not everyone can afford to live with the burden of political awareness, it's not necessary healthy.

You have to give the devil it's dues, and do so willingly and happily. That's just how political campaigns are under this system.