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[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca 34 points 4 months ago

Yeah, that war chest budget looks sad. The liberals need to pass proportional representation with the ndp without a referendum in order to beat Pierre Poilievre who will play as dirty as possible.

[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 27 points 4 months ago

They won't.

The Liberals would rather lose to the CPC for a cycle or two than implement PR, which a) drag the whole country leftward, economically, which the donor class doesn't want, and b) would see them never realize a majority government.

[-] karlhungus@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 months ago

a) drag the whole country leftward, economically

I'm a big supporter of PR (I don't really understand people who aren't -- it gives your vote more weight). I also support more social spending and higher taxes for extreme wealth.

My understanding is that countries that have implemented it have a more fractured government where people complain that it can't get anything done. Given the support that cpc apparently has, and all the "fuck trudeau" people, i'm suspicious that we wouldn't also have a healthy representation the right; people with whom i disagree.

[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 16 points 4 months ago

Saying that PR means a more fractured gov't instead of saying it means elected officials have to work together to come to a consensus is a bit naive at best.

Just because a gov't wouldn't have carte blanche to do whatever they wanted is not a bad thing. It just means they'll have to change they way they do things.

[-] karlhungus@lemmy.ca -3 points 4 months ago

I don't understand how it's naive at best? What you've stated, sounds almost the same as what i stated except with optimism.

This is a pretty insulting, and not bound to help people listen and understand you.

[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago

The onus would be on the left-wing parties to deliver actual progress for people, but that's not a problem with FPTP or PR: both systems have problems with neoliberal rot, where left- and centre-left parties forget they need to do things for citizens and not billionaires, and their progressivism devolves into green- and rainbow-washing.

The right has the same issue, only when they fail to deliver for citizens, they just scapegoat brown/Jewish/queer/whatever folk and start with progroms.

[-] ahal@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago

A fractured government where things get done with more deliberation and compromise is a feature, not a bug.

[-] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

Gotta wonder where all that money is coming from, and what they want in return.

[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

I guess I'm not his target audience, I haven't seen a single one. I don't watch cable tv, read the newspaper, or use Facebook though like old conservative people.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago

PP looks cool AF in this picture.

Populist right wing nastiness has a good publicist in Canada, while the centre is a washed out divorced dad and the left wastes itself on uninspiring minutiae.

We're fucked.

[-] karlhungus@lemmy.ca 24 points 4 months ago

Man i look at that picture and think: douche bag.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 months ago

He is a douchebag, and that's on a good day, when he's not a creep. But he's definitely glowed up from his "mean Milhouse" days.

[-] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago

Try interacting with him, you will be left with no illusions

[-] ZC3rr0r@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago

Every time I hear the guy speak I can't imagine him in a room with any other world leaders not turning into an open brawl. Even if I agreed with his politics, the fact that he's so full of himself would turn me off of voting for this windbag.

[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

That’s what happens when someone gets a pension at age 31

[-] ZC3rr0r@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago

Wait, what? If he's retired, why is he running for PM?

[-] TheFarm@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

MPs are guaranteed a pension after spending 6 years in service as an elected MP.

He entered the parliament at age 25, ensuring him a pension since the age of 31. Although he still has to be 55 to actually start collecting it. Considering how long he has been an MP, he's probably looking at pulling in at least 100K/yr from age 55 onward.

[-] ZC3rr0r@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

Yeah that makes more sense and how I've understood it to work. Guaranteed retirement =/= retired.

[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

And now I'm thinking about the video for DJ Shadow & Run the Jewels' Nobody Speak

[-] ZC3rr0r@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

Never saw the video for that song, but yeah, that's pretty much what I imagine would happen.

[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

He looks like a brat

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