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[-] Breadhax0r@lemmy.world 99 points 3 months ago

I guess way back when microsoft said than win10 would be the last version of windows, what the meant was it would be the last anyone wants to use.

[-] dinckelman@lemmy.world 71 points 3 months ago

Microsoft won't stop me from continuing to not use Windows

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago

They certainly tried with Secure Boot. Thank Stallman that UEFI is a somewhat-open architecture.

[-] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 months ago

I think it’s more like what Mozilla is to google; Linux to Microsoft is a tool to prevent antitrust issues

[-] xavier666@lemm.ee 65 points 3 months ago

What do you want me to do, Microsoft? Install Linux twice?

[-] tourist@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You can do that

I recommend it, even if you don't need it, bc it fun

[-] xavier666@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

Oh yes! I have done it. A bunch of Linux VMs using Ovirt running on top of CentOS just to test some kernel changes.

[-] KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml 39 points 3 months ago
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[-] TCB13@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago

The good part: two garbage apps will be gone from windows 😂

[-] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 19 points 3 months ago

Replaced with one god awful one. I actually liked the calendar application, does all I need it to do. But no, I can't have just a calendar application anymore according to Microsoft

[-] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

Mozilla used to have Sunbird, until they also rolled it into Thunderbird. Standalone calendars aren't popular anymore, but in sure there's some around.

I understand the mail integration, as appointments can be processed directly.

[-] Thalestr@beehaw.org 23 points 3 months ago

I'd never use a Microsoft mail client anyway. I use Thunderbird.

[-] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Thunderbird has a pretty ass UI though and it's still pretty janky at times. I only switched to it over the mail app after email sent to our support department had some random persons name associated with the "contact"

Windows 10s mail app wasn't bad, but now that it's this new outlook thing I'd never go back.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

It took me a sec to get the hang of it, but I'm good with Thunderbird

It's not hard to figure out, the UI/UX is just kinda ass. It's got that open source made for developers by developers feel and not made for actual users feel.

The biggest thing I liked about the windows 10 mail client was how well it scaled to different sized displays, and all on the fly. Thunderbird I either make it look good for my 4k monitor, but unusable on my laptop if it's a small window, or I make it look good on the laptop and it's horrendous use of space. Without going into crazy themes the thunderbird client looks straight outa 2002 no matter what font sizes and layouts you tweak.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

Yeah I'm with you on the display, especially with a docking laptop. I just kinda fell into it without much searching around, I'm sure there are more user friendly clients out there but it works just fine for my usage and I honestly don't have time or energy to go on the hunt for the perfect client lol

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[-] rekabis@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 months ago

Thunderbird is acquiring Exchange features.

They haven’t turned them on just yet owing to a little last-minute work, but your ability to sync calendars and address books with an ActiveSync/Exchange-compatible eMail server is coming soon.

[-] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 months ago

Why would I want to use any app that MS makes

[-] Tja@programming.dev 9 points 3 months ago

Because some are good. VSCode for instance.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Vscode is not that good IMO.

[-] Tja@programming.dev 5 points 3 months ago

I'm open for suggestions for a better one, but for me it uniquely combines open source (kind of) with ease of use and functionality / expandability. I used emacs for more than a decade and switched to VSCode (although I don't do coding as my primary activity anymore). Tried neovim, sublime, netbeans and webstorm and didn't convince me.

[-] Wooki@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Neovim, hands down.

Mic drop

[-] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago

If I were writing code 40h a week maybe, but my emacs brain can't get used to vim motions.

[-] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 months ago

Technically still made by Microsoft, but what about VSCodium?

[-] Tja@programming.dev 4 points 3 months ago

That's what I meant by "kind of" open source.

[-] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 2 points 3 months ago

Why would you switch from Emacs? That's a genuine question, as an Emacs user?

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[-] ulkesh@beehaw.org 12 points 3 months ago

Easy solution -- don't use Windows.

[-] Spot@startrek.website 3 points 3 months ago
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[-] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

If anyone's in this thread because they're looking for a new mail client after Microsoft killed the old Mail app, and haven't been happy with the typical suggestions of using each email service's web interface or Thunderbird, I found I don't hate Mailspring (with the fancy features disabled - I just want my email client to do email well and don't want extras that provide clutter).

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 months ago

New Outlook is a pile of shit compared to the desktop Outlook app. It's been causing a lot of headaches for my coworkers. Microsoft had better port near every single feature over to the newapp before they force everyone on it.

[-] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago

Does it matter if everyone stays on windows 10?

[-] dvdnet62@feddit.nl 8 points 3 months ago

you cannot stay on win10 forever though. deadline is approaching

[-] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

The majority of regular folks will only ever upgrade when they get a new computer. Most Me Maw's and Pa Paw's would sooner let their computers catch fire from being loaded with cat than get a new one. Hell. They are all still using ball mice.

As for me, as long as I have an iso I'll happily run it in a vm. Indefinitely.

[-] piyuv@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Ball mice is better than laser mice since you can take out the ball and play with it

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[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 5 points 3 months ago

Does that mean the only official email app will be the one that uploads the passwords to all your email accounts to Microsoft?

[-] viking@infosec.pub 5 points 3 months ago

The new outlook is utter garbage. It was in fact so bad that I uninstalled it and now use it through the web front-end only. And I'm doing that in Edge - as the only website this browser is allowed to open (asides from Teams, where the software is just as terrible).

If they call it a success that no more people are complaining because they just gave up, then, congrats... I guess?

[-] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

Oh. This sounds like a good idea lol is the search a lot faster?

[-] viking@infosec.pub 2 points 3 months ago

Not amazingly fast, but still quite a bit better indeed. Give it a try, to don't need to uninstall outlook to do that after all.

[-] 0xtero@beehaw.org 5 points 3 months ago

Threatening us with good times? I think I'll stick to Mutt.

[-] kindenough@kbin.earth 4 points 3 months ago

Good riddance.

I absolutely dislike Outlook desktop, don't trust it either. Used Thunderbird back in the day, but switched to emailing on tablets or phone + TrueNas for desktop files.

FairEmail Pro on tablet is all I need for email. It is open source and imo simplest to use. It's free and the pro version set me back 7€ or so.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

oh no, please let me use those shitty apps that you keep pestering me to use and i say fuck off every time, please!

[-] Itookmyprozac@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

[meme] Oh no! Anyway... [/meme]

[-] Mio@feddit.nu 2 points 3 months ago

I actually like that app. But can't use it reliable now since they gave it up. Welcome EMClient and Thunderbird.

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