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I think bad decisions influence him cause he was younger than me. It makes me want to know what happened in his life he was able to buy an AR-15 at 22 I think. He had a good life going and it's like no he tried to shoot Trump and I wonder why? I don't see how you can just hate someone that much to also end your life over.

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[-] scytale@lemm.ee 66 points 3 months ago

He had a good life going

Based on accounts from people who knew him at school, he did not.

[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago

Yeah, where the fuck would anyone get the impression that guy had a "good life"?

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[-] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 62 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The weapon he used was owned by his parents for many years prior. He grew up in a household full of guns. From everything we can tell right now, it seems like your typical school shooter. Depression and mental illness leads some to want to go with a bang, pun not intended. It doesn't seem like he hated Trump, so much as he wanted to target someone famous.

That said to your ladder point, literally millions of people gave their lives to kill Hitler.

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 months ago

your ladder point

The point made by a ladder!

(It's "latter" point, haha)

[-] philthi@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

Aaah thank you, I reread the original post trying to find a point related to a ladder and eventually decided I just didn't understand what the "ladder point" was referring to, but now I understand them!

Languages are fun :)

[-] DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Depression and mental illness leads some to want to go with a bang

No, they really fucking don't, privilege and the sense of entitlement it gives do.

Like seriously, beyond the bullshit that is scapegoating mental illness because it's easier than facing reality, that's literally not how depression works, nor "mental illness" in general, especially when you consider that mentally ill people are significantly more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrate it.

Stop perpetuating this lazy counterproductive bullshit.

[-] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

While I get the point you are trying to make, unfortunately unthreaded bipolar depression can indeed lead to manic psychosis episodes. Hyper fixation and grandiosity are also common symptoms. We're not talking about gender or racial violence here.

[-] Floodedwomb@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Your best source is a Tumblr blog?

[-] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 7 points 3 months ago

At least he didn't choose to attack a school instead.

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[-] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago

Most people do not go out and attempt an assassination. That alone is an indication of some sort of psychotic break. Evidence may not have been made public yet or there may not be any. The only person who knew for sure is dead.

[-] Pronell@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

To add to this, he had looked up several targets, including Biden. So it was likely as you say, a psychotic break followed by lashing out, rather than a partisan choice.

[-] folkrav@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I don’t think we can necessarily call all killers psychotic. Antisocials in the broadest of terms, maybe, sociopaths, probably, but they’re not necessarily all losing touch with reality.

In his case, given what we know so far, it does sound rather likely.

[-] UnRelatedBurner@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 months ago
[-] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 14 points 3 months ago

Maybe it was just to have the ear of the president.

[-] Suoko@feddit.it 7 points 3 months ago

It was just ear piercing from long distance....

[-] Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

So this is the kind of piercing gun they use for earrings

[-] Suoko@feddit.it 5 points 3 months ago

It's a new NRA service, they needed some big influencers to start promoting it

[-] UnRelatedBurner@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

maybe he was out of earshot of the president and wanted to be in it.

[-] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 4 points 3 months ago

It seems odd this happened; President Trump has an ear to the ground.

[-] UnRelatedBurner@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

He was listening for the sign, but someone called the shot too loudly. That's probably why his ear hurts.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

He probably didn’t hate Trump. He seemed to be targeting a bunch of politicians. He was probably either mad at politics, or just trying to be famous.

[-] Flyberius@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Some people see injustice and the suffering of others and are willing to sacrifice their own lives regardless of how good they have it. I also don't understand this guy's motivations, but I sympathise with people all over the world who have chosen to end their lives in pursuit of some higher goal.

Look at Aaron Bushnell. He ended his life to protest Israel's crimes in Gaza and the US's complicity in them. I often wish I had that courage.

And with regards to killing other people, some people just deserve to die and I'm not succumbing to some liberal bullshit about civility when those same people who spout that nonsense turn a blind eye to the mass slaughter of innocents around the world in the name of the status quo and their privileged existences.

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[-] American_Badass@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago

I really think this country is too crazy to really determine a motive. Why do people shoot up elementary schools? It seems so easy to think it's politically motivated, but I'm not convinced he hated trump, really.

[-] DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 11 points 3 months ago

Maybe he was listening to Marilyn Manson.

[-] dizzy@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

It’s a shame he’s been accused of being a creep/rapist. Not for his sake, I hope justice is served, just so many misplaced “I told you so”s to go around because of it.

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[-] jet@hackertalks.com 11 points 3 months ago

The shooter is dead, knowing what they were thinking is going to be impossible now. People are going to guess based on situational information but we will never know

[-] kenkenken@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago

They said he searched online for both Trump and Biden. Maybe it wasn't matter for him whom from them to kill. Just to kill a person of power as big as the president or a candidate of such country as US, with all modern security measures. Like Unabomber, or like in the film The limits of Control. And he was quite near.

[-] Codilingus@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Probably saw that Project 2025 had a section on banning porn and jailing its creators. His last phone search was even for porn 👀

[-] Thavron@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago

He was going for the post nut clarity.

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 months ago

No, but speculate we shal!

[-] gnutard@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I think all he wanted was his ear, nothing more! He just wanted to become Lee Harvey Earswald.

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[-] Don_Dickle@piefed.social 7 points 3 months ago

Can people quit saying he bought the damn gun...he got it from his father.

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

All signs point to depression + disillusionment imo. He seems to be targeting the most convenient major political figure available. With the system being as inexorably broken as it is, it makes sense.

[-] Truck_kun@beehaw.org 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

he was able to buy an AR-15 at 22 I think.

Pretty sure the reports point to him having it for over a decade. Without taking any effort to look it up, I think his dad bought him that gun in like 2013, so he was much younger at the time.

As for 'good life going', doesn't sound that way in general, but apparently he just got his associates degree from community college, and had been accepted into a university, but he decided not to go.

[-] andrewta@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Not truly. We can make guesses and assumptions. But probably not really know it

[-] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

We can never know or speak for why anyone does anything, unless we're relaying what the person says, because no matter what kind of act we're speaking of, the only ones who can speak for someone's intentions is that person. Anything else is putting words in their mouth, an educated guess, based on what we see and not what we don't. People should stop emphasizing motives as much as they do. Sometimes a motive might not even be able to be manifested in words while still existing.

[-] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I am sure that some information and reasoning will emerge at some point, after they've looked through his phone, computer, home and talked to people who knew him.

[-] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

My best guess is he was hoping to kick off the Christian jihad/civil war by creating a martyr. He knew the maga folks would believe he was a Democrat plant and run with it.

[-] ZeroTemp@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

That's been my theory as well.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 2 points 3 months ago

They googled a bunch of public figures and locations, so guessing notoriety

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