In my opinion, it's quite similar to Brexit: maybe you can get a majority coalition to disapprove of the status quo, but good luck getting them to actually propose a more popular alternative. Much less proposing an actual procedure for getting that alternative onto ballots.

Structurally and functionally, our political systems are not set up to run anyone other than the person who won the primary. Changing a presumptive nominee this late in the cycle is fraught with potential complications, but can be done if there's sufficient support for a specific alternative candidate. Realistically, it's Biden or it's Harris. There's no feasible way to get someone else at the top of the ticket.

Exactly

Everyone can agree on something being an issue but there needs to be consensus on solutions

Personally I think Kamala Harris is a viable plan. She's already VP, she's instantly recognizable, and she's also polling well against trump.

And honestly I'm starting to think the plan might be something along the lines of "Keep Biden in until after the election then scoot Harris in under the 25th amendment"

I think it's healthy to have these conversations, although not this late in the game. At the very least, the Trump campaign would need to completely shift if someone else is nominated which would set them back a bit.

I doubt anyone who was going to vote for Biden before the debate changed their mind and decided to vote for Trump afterwards. The biggest concern is people who have not been paying attention to the news and getting them to mobilize on election day. If the Democrats can't get people excited to vote, then we'll have another 4 more years of Trump.

Biden may very well not survive to the election. Plenty of people were raising concerns about his age and the physical and mental decline that were patently obvious four years ago, and were briskly told to shut the fuck up.

Run Harris. That’s the solution, because the democrats are allergic to actually cultivating new leaders.

Kinda makes you wonder if they’re democrats at all….

Right?

We have a convention for a reason. Biden says he's dropping out, his delegates are released to vote for a different candidate.

Someone nominates Mark Kelly for the top of the ticket, the delegates vote him into the nomination, he accepts, and Trump loses.

It's a pretty simple plan, and rests on the assumption that Biden and Harris can put country and party ahead of their pride.

I think there is money involved to create this narrative

Move Biden left in 2020 became just take Biden again 2024. I will keep the language US centric. Democrats are surprised they are losing progressives by appeasing conservatives and moderates. A better progressive option is Jill Stein or Dr. Cornel West. Would be surprising for a coalition between Democrats and Greens.

Only if you allow it.

Do you respond to some stupid political polling and scare mongering articles by insisting that Biden can't win and demotivating Democrat voters? Or do you respond by talking to people and getting them to text their friends in swing states to tell them to vote?

Mobilize voters rather than just passively putting down your own check mark in November. Build energy for the campaign rather than diminishing it.

It's not the fucking weather that we can't do anything about. It's not a hurricane. It's human beings making a choice. Our narratives matter to that choice. It literally makes all the difference in the world.

Don't passively assume defeat. Especially as it gets close to November. Let the media burn all their sabotaging, pro-corpo bullshit now. Let it be old news. Get inoculated against it. Then this fall, when we're getting close, be relentless. Reach out, make connections, push that missing voter participation so it's fresh in everyone's minds.

We absolutely have this, but only if we put out the effort to take it.

Or hear me out, they can just gaslight us more. That'll turn things around for sure.