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[-] KnilAdlez@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Of course they do, that's not really a shocking statement. I do like this research though, actually looking at how the underlying data distribution is forgotten.

[-] Bloobish@hexbear.net 23 points 4 months ago

So more or less AI inbreeding?

[-] Owl@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

More like AI prion disease.

(There's also a process where people merge AI models together, and models are merges of merges with a largely unknown lineage, and in this space there's a growing inbreeding problem.)

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago

lol best description of what's happening

[-] ChaosMaterialist@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago
[-] crime@hexbear.net 19 points 4 months ago

AI kessler syndrome bloomer

[-] magnificentTOAD@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago
[-] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 9 points 4 months ago
[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

So basically the only way to have good "AI" ~~LLMs~~ is for it to be a mechanical turk? shocked-pikachu

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago

What if my robot was just a guy?

[-] Bay_of_Piggies@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago

Not really AI if they can't learn from one another.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago

You mean LLMs aren't really AI???? Double shocked-pikachu

[-] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago

indiscriminate use of model-generated content

Indiscriminate is the key word in this paper. No one trains this way. Synthetic data and filtering out bad data are already very important steps for training and will continue to stay that way. With proper filtering and evaluation, models trained on synthetic data do better then the ones before.

This is not the end of ai, like so many wish it would be.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 months ago

I don't think this is going to be the end of AI either, and the corpus of data before AI generated content became prevalent is also huge. So, I don't think there's really lack of training data. I personally think this is more interesting from the perspective of how these algorithms work in general. The fact that they end up collapsing when consuming their own content seems to indicate that the quality of content is fundamentally different from that generated by humans.

[-] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yea that's completly fair, I think ai models in general to have lots of interesting characteristics that are very different from humans. I just see a lot of people taking conclusions from papers like this that aren't justified.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago

Very much agree, and I find the whole hatred of generative AI is largely misguided to begin with. It's interesting technology that has useful applications. Most of the problems associated with it ultimately trace back to capitalism, as opposed to any inherent problem with LLMs themselves.

[-] Owl@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago

It's obvious enough that this will happen if you cycle one model's output through itself, but they looked at different types of models (LLMs, VAEs, and GMMs) and found the same collapse in all of them. I think that's a big finding.

[-] LocalOaf@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago
[-] fox@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago

Rampancy if instead of becoming hyper intelligent beyond moral constraints you instead got dementia

[-] LocalOaf@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago

biden-nibble Look mack, I should be going, my wife Dr. Jill Cortana has to use the email

[-] ChaosMaterialist@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

geordi-no Recursively Generated Data

geordi-yes Aggression to the Mean

[-] D61@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago

filled-square = The answer generated by the most sophisticated generative LLM's mankind will ever generate.

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