The IOC being on the right side of history for once? Huzzah!
Snideness aside, credit where credit is due: though it shouldn't be, this simple refutation of utter bigoted lunacy is very courageous, given the fucked up political climate, and should be applauded!
The prevalence of 46 XY in the female athletic population is about 7 per 1000 adults, which is 140 times greater than what is seen in the general population. For context, of the 4,676 women competing at the 2012 Summer Olympic Games in London, we would predict ~32 women competitors would have a 46 XY
Source: Bermon S, Garnier PY, Hirschberg AL, et al. Serum androgen levels in elite female athletes. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2014;99(11):4328-4335
True, but largely irrelevant. There is no evidence that Khelif has XY chromosomes aside from an accusation by one corrupt Russian boxing official, made after Khelif beat a Russian boxer. They have not produced the test, said where it was done or what the results were.
Here's an AP News article with lots of information on the IBA and why their claims about Khelif are suspect: https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-khelif-russia-boxing-b53b1edda21139d14a572bd35ca440e6
Someone in reply to me above inadvertently showed a very simple reason why they're suspect by trying to prove they had accurate testing by sending me to the IBA's own press release, which stated:
Point to note, the athletes did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a separate and recognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential.
They won't even say how they tested her or who they administered the test. Just "we tested them, but not for testosterone, and believe us when we say the test results of the type of test we won't tell you they took say they're women."
And people keep telling me this is about testosterone. So if they weren't tested by the IBA for testosterone, why does testosterone matter?
The simplest explanation is that they didn't do any tests, and this whole kerfuffle is a very successful act of revenge on the IOC, Khelif, and the rest of the sports world.
The AP article linked above even points out that it was three days after she beat a previously undefeated Russian newcomer. By disqualifying Khelif after the fact they retroactively made the Russian boxers record “perfect” again. Now they’re just trying to cause more issues after being stripped of their international recognition a few years ago.
Honestly, these ex post facto disqualifications seem pretty fishy to me to begin with. Shouldn't qualification happen before a match, not after the results have already been decided?
I don't think it matters either way. Until we're told at the very least what the tests were or who administered them, any testing is irrelevant. They don't even need to say what the results were. All they have to say is, "we did X test on them and Y doctor administered it and Z lab did the analysis."
Did they test them? Who knows? Who cares until they give us the details?
There's so many people starting up discussions that aren't factually relevant, like the testosterone discussion. Just wondering, why did you refer to the boxer as him? Maybe a typo?
Yes. A typo. Fixing now. My apologies.
This simply indicates that this genetic makeup is advantageous in sports. I would imagine the average height and weight for both genders is probably out of the norm by a wide margin too.
xy genetics are kinda like crack for physical activity. It's probably one of the widest gaps between the biological sexs. xy sexed individuals have a large advantage unless under long term and early hormone suppression
I'd also be interested in 46,XX athletes actually
I read the article and I still don’t get it. Why are these people not allowed to compete as women? Do they identify as men?
No. They identify as women. The IOC agrees. We don't know how they were tested or what the test results actually were by the IBA since they aren't being open about it. But it doesn't matter because the IOC doesn't accept IBA results.
What's funny is that a lot of the people arguing that these two women shouldn't be competing with other women here on Lemmy keep arguing about sporting rules while ignoring the IOC's saying that rules aren't being violated.
So much furor over two athletes in a sport which, I believe, has not even gotten to the medal stage yet. They may both be out by then.
I wish the people so upset over these two would spend more time being upset about things like China doing a shitload of covert doping. That is an unfair advantage that they don't seem to give two shits about. Because "man boxing women."
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