Harris camp shuts down talk of Israel arms embargo (thehill.com)

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A top aide to Vice President Harris said Thursday that the Democratic presidential nominee does not support an arms embargo on Israel, after the Uncommitted National Movement suggested she was open to discussing a total ban on weapons deliveries from the U.S.

Leaders of the Uncommitted National Movement, born out of opposition toward President Biden’s policy toward Israel, said Harris showed an openness to a meeting to discuss an arms embargo on Israel following a brief exchange with the group’s founders during her Wednesday campaign rally in Detroit.

However, Phil Gordon, Harris’s national security adviser, reiterated her opposition to an arms embargo in a Thursday post on the social platform X.

“@VP has been clear: she will always ensure Israel is able to defend itself against Iran and Iran-backed terrorist groups. She does not support an arms embargo on Israel. She will continue to work to protect civilians in Gaza and to uphold international humanitarian law,” he wrote.

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[-] LovingHippieCat@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

We were never gonna get an arms embargo. It would have been nice, but that wasn't a thing that was realistically gonna happen. She's still wants a ceasefire. Still thinks the things happening in Gaza are a "humanitarian crisis," which isn't saying genocide but is still more than biden really did. The uncommitted movement, even in prior articles on here, said they're not expecting an arms embargo, just some sign that things will change. Like a ceasefire and some kinda peace deal. This is just her doing what everyone expected, including uncommitted organizers, supporting Israel but still pushing for change. Now, if the uncommitted organizers move the goal posts, that shows their not willing to compromise at all.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah and Biden wants a ceasefire too. If only there was a way to achieve that oh wait they can stop giving israel 2000 pound bombs to burn children alive.

[-] mlg@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

SE Michigan: "Wow look at all this red that magically appeared out of nowhere"

[-] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world -3 points 3 months ago

Oh no she didn't unilaterally and radically turn against 50 years of standing U.S. foreign policy, guess we gotta let the fascist win. /s

[-] Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

We just need better alliances in the middle east already; standing willingly behind a genocidal regime was and will always be a terrible plan. Which country would simultaneously form an alliance as well as ensure the safety of Palestinian civilians?

[-] distantsounds@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

It’s weird to be ok with supporting genocide

[-] OutsizedWalrus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

It’s weird to pretend that the other guy wouldn’t have an even worse policy.

The situation in Gaza is shitty, but making it a primary election issue without looking at the alternative is asinine.

[-] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

“Look, sometimes you just gotta shut up and accept a genocide” is a pretty crappy election slogan.

[-] distantsounds@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

This is an issue, not an election issue. You can oppose genocide and not be a MAGA idiot. It’s weird having to apologize for supporting an ethnic cleansing.

[-] USSMojave@startrek.website 2 points 3 months ago

Diplomacy is WAY harder than you're making it out to be. She can't just say "F Israel" and pull out unilaterally. You have no idea how complicated this all is

[-] distantsounds@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Supporting genocide is ok when it’s complicated? It’s so difficult not sending 2000lb bombs lmao

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Centrists pretend anything they don't want to do is too complicated.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Literally just stop sending bombs to israel and the Genocide ends. They had ran out of ammo months ago if Genocide Joe didn't keep resupplying them.

This is like saying it would be complicated to not send arms to the Nazis if they were a "strategic partner against the Russians" in WW2

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Not for centrists it isn't.

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[+] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -33 points 3 months ago

Well it was a good 2 weeks before Kamala dropped the act.

[-] dactylotheca@suppo.fi 12 points 3 months ago

Was there an act? I thought she's known to be fairly pro-Israel (or pro-Zionist I guess)

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 40 points 3 months ago

Wouldn't matter. As a matter of policy the US is always going to honor its defense commitments to Israel. We're never going to leave them defenseless against Iran or Hamas. But a commitment to humanitarian aid and an acknowledgement that their current actions constitute genocide would be nice for laying the groundwork to apply some pressure.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

Wouldn’t matter. As a matter of policy the US is always going to honor its defense commitments to Israel.

What Israel is doing in Gaza stopped being "defense" a long time ago.

[-] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

What Isreal is doing in Gaza is inexcusable, particularly doing it with our guns.

But the above poster is right, the US would never drop them. Isreal is too important to the US MIC for maintaining control in the middle east. If we abandoned Isreal, neighboring countries would (with good justification) most likely ally to invade them, led by Iran. Then the US has to deal with an allied ME bloc, possibly backed by Russia, China, or both.

Really, the US is pouring money and arms into its own "defense" via Isreal as proxy. We should step in to stop them being genocidal, but I think the worry is that we'd just stir up a bigger shitstorm if we tried to actually deploy.

Not that it's going to matter soon since Iran ramping up aggression will "force" the US to step in.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Israel is not important whatsoever. If anything we currently have to subdue Egypt and provide Saudi Arabia with nukes just to appease israel.

[-] anticurrent@sh.itjust.works -5 points 3 months ago

a.k.a Israel is the keystone of US imperialism. but so Called American "leftists" are fine with their own imperialism, otherwise they will loose all other privileges over the rest of the world.

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Their current actions have crossed the line, I would agree. That doesn't mean we would leave them without defense against future attacks. It's all a bunch of fucking nuance where it seems like just do the right fucking thing would be easy but it turns out not because without US support Israel would get wiped off the map and we don't want that for both moral and geopolitical reasons. It's a fucking mess.

(Edit: just skip this and read Codex's response. Similar idea, but it's better in every way and with 100% less fucking swearing.)

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Their current actions have crossed the line, I would agree. That doesn’t mean we would leave them without defense against future attacks.

They have nukes, ffs. They're plenty defended, and they don't need us enabling Netanyahu's genocide in order to continue defending themselves.

[-] anticurrent@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

A colonialist country is blind to colonialism.

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

It's actually useful to consider a distinction between pro-Israel and pro-Zionist. The difference is being able to stand with the Israeli peace protestors and against the ultra-orthodox faction and Netanyahu in their attempts to aggressively expand and consolidate land. Similar to the ability to stand with innocent Palestinians and against hamas.

It's a specific position that tries to muddy those waters, trying to paint all Israelis as evil invaders regardless of whether they were born there or not, or whether they support the war or not, and hamas as some sort of freedom fighters despite their own oppression and weaponization of the Palestinian people. If you think about it, this is pretty obviously a pro-war position that tries to justify violence and warfare against one particular group of people, though, on the basis of the sins of their ancestors, not necessarily anything they themselves are guilty of. (Beyond being born in the wrong place.)

People should not be punished for the wrongs committed by others, and this includes both innocent Israelis and innocent Palestinians. If someone is unwilling to recognize that either innocent Israelis or innocent Palestinians even exist in the modern day, then that should be a red flag.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Anti-zionism is literally calling for the dismantlement of the Israeli state and all the violent horror that would entail. What Israel is doing in Gaza right now is also horrific, should be condemned, and in no way justified, but the idea that the solution to that problem is to put millions of innocent people under control of an organization which openly states their desire to exterminate them, is insane. It's literally just information warfare, because no honest geopolitical observer could possibly fine it palatable. To believe that Israeli citizens would just stand by and allow themselves to fall under the thumb of a self avowed Islamist extermination cult without vigorously defending themselves is simple fantasy. There is no reality where that creates a peaceful resolution. Anyone seriously calling for that should be assumed to favor incredible violence against Israeli citizens, which is precisely why it is a position which has been historically linked to white supremacists. And is why literally nobody else was seriously espousing such ideas this time last year

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Sure. The problem is that pro-Zionism has become associated with Israeli takeover of Gaza and the West Bank, including all the blood involved. Zionism is not just Israel, but Israeli expansion now.

So, a more Zion-neutral position that involves neither the destruction nor the expansion of Israel might be preferable to some.

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago

Noooo you can't be anti war until the war is over

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Yeah I'm surprised it took that long for you to settle on a new purity test.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Current Democrat supports Genocide with weapons

New Democrat says she will keep supporting the Genocide with weapons

Do you think my red line for the last 9 months was a VP who promises to legalize weed?

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Well I definitely won't be voting for Netanyahu!

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