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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 155 points 3 months ago

My favorite part of this whole hilarious series of stories is that the guy who proved Lindell wrong was a Trump voter.

[-] demizerone@lemmy.world 125 points 3 months ago

Imagine going from smoking crack, to making millions selling shitty pillows at Walmart, to losing it all for Donald Trump. What a loser.

[-] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago

Weird loser*

Hell of a life story though.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 119 points 3 months ago

TL;DR

“Prove Mike Wrong” offered $5 million to any willing and able cyber professional who could demonstrate that Lindell was wrong about the election being co-opted by Chinese hackers working on behalf of the Biden campaign.

in addition to having to pay a guy [...] $5 million [...], Lindell will now have to pay some of that guy’s attorneys fees, which were incurred in court.

Did nobody proofread this article? The writing is so convoluted. Run it through ChatGPT at the very least, good god.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The only things is the use of "guy" but apart from that i dont see anything wrong with that section.

[-] Eiim@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 months ago

Here's the full quote:

Case in point: in addition to having to pay a guy who he bet $5 million couldn’t prove him wrong $5 million after that guy proved him wrong, and after he went to court to try to avoid paying the money, Lindell will now have to pay some of that guy’s attorneys fees, which were incurred in court.

There's nothing technically wrong with it, it's just really awkwardly worded.

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 5 points 3 months ago

The only thing wrong with this is the person writing it should never be allowed to write professionally ever again.

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

Yeah this reads like the slack messages I send to my work friends

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 months ago

Yeah ok i agree. The full quote is borderline unreadable.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 47 points 3 months ago

They left the best part out of the headline

Business Insider reports that, in addition to the $5 million, Lindell will also have to pay the guy’s attorney fees. A federal judge has ordered Lindell to pay Zeidman $4,508 in attorney fees. Zeidman had initially sought as much as $12,800 for approximately 16 billed hours, but the judge ruled that some of Zeidman’s legal discovery requests were “overly broad”

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 19 points 3 months ago

His lawyer bills $800/hr? Jesus Christ, who did he hire? That seems insane to me.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 56 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

5 million dollars is on the line. Paying 10k to get it is a good investment.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

The lawyer probably did it on spec. He promised 5 mill to anyone who proved him wrong.

16 hours of work that gets paid by Lindell for a very-easy win? Absolutely.

[-] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

one of the reasons the justice system favors the wealthy

[-] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago

You just explained the essence of Nigerian scam.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Sure, but this was legitimate. Lindell admitted he had no intention to pay the 5 million, he just wanted to gin up free publicity.

He thought that "since you can't prove a negative" that he wouldn't have to pay. The judge in the case however found that since the data was literally technical gibberish, that the plaintiff proved that it could not be what Lindell had claimed it was, and was owed the promised payout.

[-] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

Good lawyers aren't cheap, and in the grand scheme of things are well worth the money when they win.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

That’s not super high. Maybe a teensy bit above average, but every speciality is different. Some fields of law bill at just a few hundred bucks an hour, while others regularly go that high.

[-] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

That's cheap.

[-] Travelator@thelemmy.club 31 points 3 months ago

I'm just glad his commercials have disappeared from the crappy over the air TV stations I watch.

[-] suction@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago

Does someone know the details how he proved him wrong (in a nutshell…)?

[-] mholiv@lemmy.world 104 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

TLDR he provided a bunch of packet captures “proving” voting traffic was going to non American IPs. His captures where shown to have been faked because the packet checksums didn’t match, but only on the packets showing traffic going to non American IPs.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 31 points 3 months ago

That seems like pretty technical and advanced forgery for someone of his inclination?

[-] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago

I'm sure he had help from a comrade or 2

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 34 points 3 months ago

The reality is that it's probably him who got conned by whoever sold home the "proof."

Now I’m thinking I can grift extremists by faking stuff they would lap up.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 months ago

You can see people doing that all the time. The biggest barrier is if your ethics allow you to do it. A lot of people have gotten very wealthy because their ethics don't care.

[-] doubletwist@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Reminds me of a lyric in a song by Ren:

Swallow all your morals, they're a poor man's quality

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 30 points 3 months ago

A technical and advanced forgery would have corrected the checksums. Any script kiddie that knows a bit of python can forge packets with the scapy library, or any number of other packet manipulation libraries.

What would some use cases be for forging packets, aside from trying to claim a stolen election.

I’m not really asking because I want to do anything nefarious; just pure curiosity with these kind of things. Darknet Diaries is a great podcast for this kind of thing.

[-] cheet@infosec.pub 10 points 3 months ago

Funny packets make things behave funny sometimes. Sometimes you just need to see how something behaves when you send it illegal packets that the real software would never send.

It also makes it possible to cheat in some games by lying to the game server about interactions in game.

Essentially hackers need a way to talk to machines at every level of every protocol and Scapy is a pretty standard way of achieving that.

[-] mholiv@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago

I think someone sold it to him knowing he was too incompetent to have a second source check it.

[-] suction@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago
[-] betahack@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago
[-] mholiv@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

With the assistance of a LLM:

A man said he had proof that voting information was being sent to places outside of America. But when people checked his proof, they found out someone had changed it to make it look like it was true. The numbers in his proof didn’t match, so they knew he was not telling the truth.

[-] awesome_lowlander@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 months ago

Lindell provided data that turned out to be totally irrelevant to his claims

[-] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

And the data was provided by someone who had a long history of fraud

[-] d00phy@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

Finding out can get hella expensive!

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 3 months ago

This is sweet justice. Lindell had a bunch of nonsense data and this dude proved it easily. Oh, fuck, I just realized I’m pretty tired. Lemme go lay my head on NotHisPillow.

[-] workerONE@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

#NotMyPillow

[-] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

You mean his best friend Donald Trump didn't bail him out? 🙀

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