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To be fair, that style of rhetoric where you repeat part of the comment you're epic dunking on is common on Reddit.
Socialism with democracy, but for that to happen the people need to install an temporary authoritarian government to make the transition no?
What if I told you we could vote ourselves into socialism?
What if I told you every time that happens the bourgeoisie takes control of the military and starts a civil war to maintain their power?
I'm not sure that holds without the CIA coming in to facilitate that in a relatively new democracy. If a large country with good institutions voted that way it would be a lot harder to pull off a military coup.
That depends on if you believe in Stalin's ideas of a vanguard or Trotskys ideas of a vanguard. According to Trotsky the vanguard of the workers should be democratically elected.
Or, hear me out, you can be a non-Marxist socialist, because socialism does not only mean Marxism.
I'm aware, however I assume the person was specifically referring to Stalinism.
Then the assumptions they forwarded as absolutes need to be addressed instead of accepted.
Authoritarian governments never allow themselves to be temporary. Generally speaking, they usually have to be forcibly removed.
You’ve seen them on the telly, those authoritarian governments that resign peacefully when their work is done.
Theoretically, amendments could be passed to alter the Constitution into anything, if they have support from enough states. Then again, if (theoretically) enough people support a radical change that is prevented because of the outsized influence of some states, how is that democratic?
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No, if enough people vote for socialist candidates and they pass a law that says all property now belongs to the state, then it'd be enforced just like any other current law.
The transition could be gradual. If we started nationalizing companies that get too big, and do that for a few generations then the state would own 99% of the economy.
If we keep raising property tax, you'd effectively get to the point where people are leasing the land rather than owning it.
Communism brain rot is trendy nowadays. It’s the last refuge for the tortured mind of the permanently online doomers. It’s almost non existent in real life thankfully
It's not strictly necessary, but it sure does seem to keep happening.
Unless China does something very funny to their billionaire class and starts pushing the perpetual revolution, I think it's fairly safe to assume traditional Marxist thought is no longer the most dominant socialist school, and when the resource wars start in earnest there will be some genuine shifts in what kind of government a socialist revolution seeks to enact.
That or the fascists just win this time.
that usually ends in disaster. never mind the fact that authoritarian governments like the power and wouldn't want to give it back, which defeats the entire point of socialism...
but even if you have a completely benign dictator (usually just a fantasy but for the sake of argument let's say we had one) people, especially in democracies, don't like the idea of a coup, unless it's them doing it but then it's a revolution. but that could also lead to reactionary sentiment.
we've seen this happen in Iran. democracy gets fucked with by a US coup, people react with a revolution but unfortunately reactionary forces use the anger to their advantage and devolve into a different kind of authoritarian regime anyway.
Dude Coyote'ed himself.
Socialism replaces Liberal democracy with something else (depends on the specific ideology).
lib dems mad.
LibDems (and Liberals in general) get pissed when I remind them that Liberalism isnt a left wing ideology.
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