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Lula says Putin will not be arrested at Brazil G20 meeting
(www.aljazeera.com)
"I lied" Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, 2024.
Would actually be a chad move
"I actually used a very secret technique there called lying"
I don't think any sane country would arrest Putin. Deny him entry sure. But not arrest him. Declaring war on Russia, even if they are a paper tiger today, is not going to be in anybody's best interest
Exceptions for Ukraine and Poland. They would absolutely arrest Putin on sight.
Why should any NATO country (beside maybe Turkey) not immediately arrest him?
NATO is not at war with Russia.
And what does that have to do with arresting a war criminal?
Arresting the leader of a sovereign nation amounts at least to a diplomatic crisis, and at worst to a declaration of war.
And before George Bush is brought to trial I don't think the West has much credibility in dealing with war criminals.
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He's only a war criminal if convicted in a court of law.
No, I'm not defending Putin in the slightest bit, I'm simply stating that just because people across the globe have labelled him as a war criminal, doesn't automatically make that official.
And that's why the ICC issued a warrant and any sane country should execute the warrant. We just want to talk to him...
Eh… the international legal system is not very functional so I’m not sure I agree with this. By that definition Hitler was not a war criminal either because he died before going to trial.
Plenty of war criminals already living freely in NATO countries.
Cy Borgman: "I could call up my old pal Hank Kissinger! I'm sure he has a few war crimes he never got around to!"
Harley Quinn: "Mm... I know we're criminals, but are we really WAR criminals?"
From the excellent Harley Quinn cartoon
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World war 3 is going to be a total downer for everyone, most countries will want to avoid it, or at least try not to be the one to start it.
Not to mention the president of a country travels as a diplomat. Arresting diplomats is something that's frowned upon internationally.
Arresting the president of a country, or kidnapping the president of a country, is a pretty clear declaration of war.
Let's say by some miracle war doesn't immediately break out, well the country you've just pissed off has a bunch of hostages immediately available, all of your diplomats and citizens in their borders. As much as we want to talk about rule of law, at the international level between countries it's all about capabilities.
It is a false narrative that doing anything against russian aggression automatically means WW3.
And this false narrative is deliberately spread by pro russian channels so that Russia gets challenged as little as possible.
Putin is a war criminal and should be arrested, if Russia then chooses to go to war (which I doubt) they will see how it serves them.
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I think it's not necessarily whether countries would or wouldn't arrest him. It's more, if he's invited to a summit or otherwise making travel arraignments, he gets confirmation they don't intend to arrest him. If a country doesn't commit to not arresting him, he just wouldn't go. If a country says they won't arrest him, then arrest him, it calls into question that country's diplomacy.
I am fully pro ukraine.
Because if they arrest him, there could easily be bloodshed outside of Ukraine. As much as nato countries are happy to support Ukraine currently, they aren't interested in inviting conflict to their own borders
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At this point Ukraine might even himars him on sight
Maybe it's like Hitler and they don't want Putin being replaced by someone competent at war.
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake".
Yeah. Putin would absolutely have diplomatic immunity as a head of state visiting another country. Arresting him would put the whole concept of diplomatic immunity at risk.
That's for domestic crimes. International crimes like genocide, torture and other war crimes have no functional immunity for a head of state. Pinochet for example.
That's why Putin didn't go to South Africa.
It would be a shame if putin's plane had to make an unscheduled landing on the way there.
Or if it had a Rapid Unplanned Disassembly event, midair, over the ocean
That works too, although I'd prefer to see him rot in jail. Sudden death is too quick and easy for people who have done what he has.
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"It's not an unscheduled landing, it's a special controlled fast emergency touch-down operation."
I'll put $20 in him sending a body double.
Maybe Putin is already dead/missing and all the body doubles are just trying to act like him until something is resolved
Basically Weekend at Putin's
I thought Brazil was a member of the ICC in just the way SA was
International law is fairly optional. Will there be consequences if he doesn’t have Putin arrested? I doubt it.
Also, the South African president tried to make the same statement that he wouldn’t be arrested, but the local government said they would do it, so he was forced to uninvite Putin.
It will be interesting to see if a similar dynamic unfolds, but I think the internal politics of Brazil are rather different.
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They are, but the country also depends a bit on Russia's exports so the president tends to tip the scales in Putin's side
They best have good security, one random with a gun would be hailed as a hero by the western world if they took out Putin.
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