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The Democratic National Committee showing its true face (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by CyberGhost@lemmygrad.ml to c/memes@lemmy.ml

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cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1740294

cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1740285

https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/WildingDNC.pdf

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[-] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago

ITT tankies pretend they don't know that legal arguments are meant for court and are made to argue from every angle.

No, this isn't an admission that the primaries were rigged. They weren't. It's a hypothetical argument meant to progress a legal case to summary judgment, where the lawyer argued that even if everything the plaintiff said was correct, the DNC would still win the case.

Essentially, what the lawyers for the Democrats were doing was "if I grant everything you claim for the sake of argument, you would still lose, and here's why." That doesn't admit anything. OP knows it, but since he's a literal Stalin-humping fascist who just wants to see anyone who wishes for a better world fail, he doesn't care.

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[-] DharmaCurious@startrek.website 20 points 1 year ago

Sing it with me now, folks: 🎶... o'er the laaaaaaand of the freeeee🎶

[-] kiranraine@reddthat.com 12 points 1 year ago

This is why I'm a leftist not a lib. I vote Democrat bc no choice but I want more progressives in office....

[-] Facky@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Then stop voting for libs

[-] kiranraine@reddthat.com 6 points 1 year ago

Better than voting for gqp. I vote progressive in primaries and forced into the other bc no one has the spines to fix the system to ranked elimination voting. I'm leftist bc at least they're not actively trying to unalive me like the right

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

I'm leftist bc at least they're not actively trying to unalive me like the right

They'll just kneel in Solidarity with you as the right tries to unalienable you.

Progress.

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[-] fushuan@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

No you don't understand, their alternative is not to vote red, the alternative is not to vote and then complain that the results are fucked because no metter what they voted it would be fucked so they need a revolution, blood will flow, yada yada.

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[-] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

As someone else posted on this site

"there are two types of democratic voters, centrist conservatives and hostages"

[-] kiranraine@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

I mean yea sounds about right. The moderates are wolves in sheep's clothing. Esp when they randomly flip parties and screw us over on rights and encourage the gerrymandering to get worse 🙃

[-] abraxas@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

There's progressives, as well as a good breakdown of demsocs. You can be pleasantly surprised about some parts of Biden's presidency without being a centrist conservative who would have had him near the top of your list

[-] this_1_is_mine@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Ok Hillary sit the fuck down.

[-] ThePac@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Oh shit guess I'll just vote third party, then.

lol no

[-] azimir@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Our First Past the Post Winner Take All voting system is demonstrably the worst voting system. Any form of preference polling like Ranked Choice Voting (fairvote.org) is significantly better. No voting system is perfect, but the current one used in most of the US is the shittiest one on the market today.

Any system like RCV opens the door to more parties and candidates who don't 100% toe a party line. It also filters extreme position candidates out of primaries.

We can do better.

[-] xerazal@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately in the two party duopoly, they're the best we've got.

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[-] xerazal@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago

Fully aware, but it's either that or allow the other party, which has become increasingly more fascist, back into power.

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[-] xerazal@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

Bruh Republicans are open about backing trump even if he goes to jail. Trump has openly talked about how he wants to get rid of the constitution. They could have prevented him from running again after his failed coup attempt and they let him off the hook.

At least some good has come from the Biden presidency, which tbh I didn't expect at all. Some progress is better than no progress. 15 min wage for federal contract workers, an NLRB that is more pro-union than ever in my lifetime, an actual attempt at student loan debt reduction (which he should just nix via executive order but I digress), a 15% minimum corporate tax rate, bring back microchip manufacturing, and there's more that I can't list off the top of my head.

Babysteps sure, but it's better than nothing and way better than the backwards trajectory we got during the trump presidency and beyond the trump presidency due to his SC appointments.

Perfect? Hell no. But something. We need to take the wins we can get while still hammering him from the left to do more.

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[-] xerazal@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

Jesus Christ might as well just give up on everything with your attitude lol

[-] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

We came to the conclusions because we want to avoid giving up. Once you realize that settling for "harm reduction" is also a form of giving up, you learn to think strategically and read people who think strategically about these things for real improvement. Like Lenin.

[-] xerazal@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately harm reduction is all we can do rn, unless you are ready to start a working class revolution, which would require the majority of the working class to be on board with us. And idk about you, but I don't think the American working class is there just yet.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It ain't there because people like you put more energy into performing in electoral theatrics for the enemies of the working class rather than investing that energy in organizing, educating, and agitating your fellow worker.

[-] xerazal@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

Or maybe I'm actually trying to help the working class by taking any win we can get whereas you'd rather watch the world burn than see the working class get any kind of win because it's not big enough for you.

[-] Sickos@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

I am begging you to take the energy you're putting into convincing others to vote and redirect it toward learning to handle a rifle.

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[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Lmao tell that to the Russians and Ukrainian workers who are dying by the thousands because of your utopianist belief in "taking any win".

Absolute scum. There is zero difference material difference between you and the Democrats under biden. You can keep saying you're a leftist or that you work in the interests of the working class, but you actions - or lack thereof - speaks louder than any phrasemongering you do.

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[-] culpritus@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So some rail unions would like to talk to you about 'taking any win we can get' I'd imagine.

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[-] Sickos@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

marx-guns-blazing

[-] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

How are you doing that except for voting for Biden? The class conscious workers who aren't succeeding in spreading that are the ones at fault, like me (and you, though I'm not convinced of you being class conscious). I'm trying my best though, in many organizations around many topics, to push my analysis further and improve it and the organizations to reach the goals of socialism.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Being a leftist is coming to grips with how bad the situation is

[-] xerazal@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

Dude ik shit is bad. I would have much preferred someone else be president rn, but we are stuck with Biden so we have to make due.

And 2024 is going to be Biden v trump again. A shitty matchup, ik, but again we have to make due.

Bring a leftist also means trying to make the most of a bad situation. This isn't about what you or I want, it's about what's right for the working class given our current situation. And between Biden and trump, Biden is far better for the working class than trump could ever be.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Why are you even talking about the presidency at this point? It's not real. You just saw 'the good' party openly admit that it's not democratic and it's against you. You know the same donors run both parties. Why are you still in this framing?

[-] xerazal@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

Because 1 party does everything their donors say, the other does most of the stuff their donors say but still shows it's able to be pushed by their voters to do good.

Do you really think that the donor class wanted the recent NLRB rule change that helps unions against union busting? No, but it happened because unlike the Republican party, the Democratic party can be swayed to fight for the working class. Is it perfect? No, but it's something.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

With one hand they give you a ruling that says that if an employer breaks labor law (and the DoL agrees to enforce it), card check gets a union instead of a union vote.

With the other they take away three years of work labor organizing through impossible hoops by breaking the strike of the railworkers, who got nothing to show for it.

What's the point of a union if you can't strike?

[-] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

But they aren't really swayed, they are playing the good guys to prevent riots. The role they fill, regardless of how any democrat personally feels, is the role of the small concession to prevent riot. It's super helpful to capitalism to have a tiny outlet so that the major exploitation is ignored. It's only "better" when you obsess with the short term goals and can't see the projects over decades and across borders. Sometimes I get it, honestly, like I am never mad at comrades voting for the hope that trans and indigenous comrades aren't genocided. But it's just not good strategy to think about that decision for more than like 4 minutes a year because of the above stated functional argument.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

We don't 'got' them. They're the enemy. This is a post about them showing you that they're explicitly hostile to you, your politics, and the concept of democracy.

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

I've been trying to come up with a term to describe this phenomenon for a while now. Privatewashing, maybe?

Westerners are programmed to not accept certain things if done by the government directly. Publishing propaganda? Bad. Laundering government propaganda through private media outlets? Not a problem. Interfering with a foreign election? Bad. Sponsoring a "Private NGO" to do it? Totally fine. Foreign government influencing domestic policy? Bad. Multinational companies paying lobby groups to do the same? Democracy.

In this case, the government telling people that their votes don't count and that rules don't have to be followed would be flagrantly undemocratic. A private organization doing that though? Well we can't do anything about it even if it's directly relevant to the outcome of elections and national policy.

[-] jasondj@ttrpg.network 2 points 1 year ago

I don’t like “privatewashing”. It sounds like the longest part of my shower, and I’m not thinking about Bernie’s 2016 primary race during it.

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[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago

Bernie is an independent, though he has been invited to join the Democratic Party. He has refused. Why would the DNC spend its resources on Bernie when people spend considerable time, effort and money that are actually party members? By rule, an independent cannot run for nomination for the Republican party.

[-] beteljuice@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is why. The DNC is trash.

[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

Sure. You've got to agree with a person with such great logic.

[-] abraxas@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is the real reason. Bernie refused to meaningfully cooperative with the party who basically have a policy of allowing members across the widest political spectrum of any party, and then was shocked that they did completely legal and defensible things that might have affected his odds of winning the Primary, a Primary that was still ultimately decided by vote counts that he lost by a landslide. Nobody alienated Bernie (just look at Warren who writes half the bills he supports), he alienated himself.

Do people know why Bernie caucused with the Democrats? Because only about 9% of Americans identify as far left as progressive, and we only win something if we can compromise it with the only political party that works in good faith.