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[-] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 23 points 2 years ago

ITT tankies pretend they don't know that legal arguments are meant for court and are made to argue from every angle.

No, this isn't an admission that the primaries were rigged. They weren't. It's a hypothetical argument meant to progress a legal case to summary judgment, where the lawyer argued that even if everything the plaintiff said was correct, the DNC would still win the case.

Essentially, what the lawyers for the Democrats were doing was "if I grant everything you claim for the sake of argument, you would still lose, and here's why." That doesn't admit anything. OP knows it, but since he's a literal Stalin-humping fascist who just wants to see anyone who wishes for a better world fail, he doesn't care.

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[-] DharmaCurious@startrek.website 20 points 2 years ago

Sing it with me now, folks: 🎶... o'er the laaaaaaand of the freeeee🎶

[-] kiranraine@reddthat.com 12 points 2 years ago

This is why I'm a leftist not a lib. I vote Democrat bc no choice but I want more progressives in office....

[-] Facky@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago
[-] kiranraine@reddthat.com 6 points 2 years ago

Better than voting for gqp. I vote progressive in primaries and forced into the other bc no one has the spines to fix the system to ranked elimination voting. I'm leftist bc at least they're not actively trying to unalive me like the right

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

I'm leftist bc at least they're not actively trying to unalive me like the right

They'll just kneel in Solidarity with you as the right tries to unalienable you.

Progress.

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[-] fushuan@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

No you don't understand, their alternative is not to vote red, the alternative is not to vote and then complain that the results are fucked because no metter what they voted it would be fucked so they need a revolution, blood will flow, yada yada.

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[-] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

As someone else posted on this site

"there are two types of democratic voters, centrist conservatives and hostages"

[-] kiranraine@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago

I mean yea sounds about right. The moderates are wolves in sheep's clothing. Esp when they randomly flip parties and screw us over on rights and encourage the gerrymandering to get worse 🙃

[-] abraxas@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

There's progressives, as well as a good breakdown of demsocs. You can be pleasantly surprised about some parts of Biden's presidency without being a centrist conservative who would have had him near the top of your list

[-] this_1_is_mine@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

Ok Hillary sit the fuck down.

[-] ThePac@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

Oh shit guess I'll just vote third party, then.

lol no

[-] azimir@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Our First Past the Post Winner Take All voting system is demonstrably the worst voting system. Any form of preference polling like Ranked Choice Voting (fairvote.org) is significantly better. No voting system is perfect, but the current one used in most of the US is the shittiest one on the market today.

Any system like RCV opens the door to more parties and candidates who don't 100% toe a party line. It also filters extreme position candidates out of primaries.

We can do better.

[-] xerazal@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately in the two party duopoly, they're the best we've got.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

We don't 'got' them. They're the enemy. This is a post about them showing you that they're explicitly hostile to you, your politics, and the concept of democracy.

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

I've been trying to come up with a term to describe this phenomenon for a while now. Privatewashing, maybe?

Westerners are programmed to not accept certain things if done by the government directly. Publishing propaganda? Bad. Laundering government propaganda through private media outlets? Not a problem. Interfering with a foreign election? Bad. Sponsoring a "Private NGO" to do it? Totally fine. Foreign government influencing domestic policy? Bad. Multinational companies paying lobby groups to do the same? Democracy.

In this case, the government telling people that their votes don't count and that rules don't have to be followed would be flagrantly undemocratic. A private organization doing that though? Well we can't do anything about it even if it's directly relevant to the outcome of elections and national policy.

[-] jasondj@ttrpg.network 2 points 2 years ago

I don’t like “privatewashing”. It sounds like the longest part of my shower, and I’m not thinking about Bernie’s 2016 primary race during it.

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[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 5 points 2 years ago

Bernie is an independent, though he has been invited to join the Democratic Party. He has refused. Why would the DNC spend its resources on Bernie when people spend considerable time, effort and money that are actually party members? By rule, an independent cannot run for nomination for the Republican party.

[-] beteljuice@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This is why. The DNC is trash.

[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago

Sure. You've got to agree with a person with such great logic.

[-] abraxas@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This is the real reason. Bernie refused to meaningfully cooperative with the party who basically have a policy of allowing members across the widest political spectrum of any party, and then was shocked that they did completely legal and defensible things that might have affected his odds of winning the Primary, a Primary that was still ultimately decided by vote counts that he lost by a landslide. Nobody alienated Bernie (just look at Warren who writes half the bills he supports), he alienated himself.

Do people know why Bernie caucused with the Democrats? Because only about 9% of Americans identify as far left as progressive, and we only win something if we can compromise it with the only political party that works in good faith.

[-] Bloobish@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

Truly AMERICA is the freest state on earth cuss you can vooooooooooote right? ...Right?

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