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I can’t think of a single VOY episode with mind-melds that didn’t have a character treating it as a super taboo or dangerous telepathic ability.

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[-] T156@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

They always were. Even when Spock was using them, he only used them when there was no other choice, and even then, there was no generally no small risk to both parties.

From Enterprise, mind melds are treated as something both sensitive and private. Things you do with someone you trust. That seems to have carried over in the intervening centuries, but you're still not meant to meld with everything willy-nilly.

[-] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Because it IS dangerous. Trek lore has established that mind melds carry the risk of neurological damage, emotional overload, and Panar Syndrome in the melder.

And even if all of those risks are mitigated, mind-melds are incredibly personal and Vulcans don't engage in them flippantly.

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

Mind melds are overused and treated too lightly and simply by modern trek. I actually like Voyager’s take on it.

[-] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 5 points 2 weeks ago

Interesting take. Do you have an example?

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 weeks ago

i haven't watched modern trek because blehhhh, but i presume it's just used as a deus ex machina? "ah crap we don't have a sensible solution to this situation, let's just have them mind meld to get the information", shit like that?

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I don’t really remember the details. I just remember rolling my eyes and thinking “Not this shit again.”

[-] teft@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Enterprise has a mind meld rape causing a disease for T’Pol so VOY isn’t the only series with bad mind meld juju.

[-] pupbiru@aussie.zone 3 points 1 week ago

that’s kinda different though… enterprise happened before the kir’shara discovery which changed vulcan society from “telepathy taboo” to “telepathy okay”. in their taboo society, there were references to the fact that pa’nar syndrome was incurable only because anyone with it were outcasts and thus undeserving of help

after the discovery of the kir’shara, vulcan society changed and their attitudes to mind melds in particular changed significantly

[-] 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyz 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Mind melds are like unprotected sex. Fine to be done with a trusted partner, not something you want to do a lot with randos

[-] data1701d@startrek.website 4 points 1 week ago
  • The mind is usually considered a private area. Most people want their thoughts to themselves under most circumstances.
  • Also, this stuff actually predates VOY; In TNG’s “Sarek”, Sarek is hesitant to mind-meld with Picard to temporarily treat his Bendii syndrome.
  • On a random note, my history teacher had this as a poster on her wall:

[-] hopesdead@startrek.website 1 points 1 week ago

That is such a bizarre image.

[-] finley@lemm.ee -5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Because Tuvok, and the rest of the crew, esp Janeway, lacked anything resembling ethics or scruples.

[-] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I don't get your point... are you suggesting NOT mind-melding is unethical?

[-] finley@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No. I was being snide and should have been more clear:

Janeway, I believe, was an especially unscrupulous captain who too often crossed the line to get what she wanted. This often included getting Tuvok, one way or another, to perform mind-melds under morally dubious circumstances. Sometimes Tuvok would undertake such endeavors on his own, without any prompting from Janeway, even without her knowledge at times.

I liked Voyager, but that crew was shady as shit.

[-] fogstormberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago

thats some lord of the flies shit

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