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submitted 2 months ago by geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml to c/usa@lemmy.ml

New polling makes it clear that adherents to the Islamic faith aren’t rushing to support Kamala Harris this November. To the contrary, she’s fighting Green Party candidate Jill Stein for the lead.

A poll of 1,159 Muslims released Thursday by the Council on American-Islamic Relations shows Harris and Stein tied at 29%, with 11% of the cohort’s support going to Donald Trump, 4% to Cornel West, and 1% to Libertarian Chase Oliver. A significant 9% say they aren’t voting.

Incredibly, this represents growth for Harris from the previous CAIR poll of 2,500 Muslims conducted before the vice president became the nominee, but was never released.

In that previously unreported survey, 36% backed Stein and 25% supported West, with President Biden drawing 7% and Trump at 5%.

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[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Why would they? She is currently materially supporting a genocide of arabs. No amount of words can resolve that

[-] Kuori@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago

shocking she has even that much support given her explicit backing of genocide

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Liberals downvoting this because they believe Muslim American voters should support the candidate that has promised to continue genociding muslims worldwide.

How low will liberals stoop?

[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I saw a smuglord post 'kindly fall in line' (speaking to a harris dissenter) on the lib-verse the other day and i thought they were lampooning libs at first but after several re-reads they were for real.

They can't hear themselves. I thought liberals mostly just held the door open for fascists but that oft-used quote about bleeding is true, huh.

Fuck me

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago

In times of crisis, the mask slips and outright falls. This is only going to happen more frequently from now on.

[-] antmzo220@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Capitalism in decay.

I'm not sure the left is ready, but we must work quickly, either to remove the taint and prevent further spread, or to plan for the inevitable.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

Join an org! FRSO and PSL look good if you're American.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

What she actually said was that she would fight for a ceasefire and sovereignty for Palestine...but without a weapons embargo. This raises the question: If you refuse to use the only thing you have leverage on, what good is your support?

I don't think that Harris has a plan. She might be more pro-Palestine than Biden, but without an embargo, she'll be just as ineffectual. I don't think that the US can do anything to stop the genocide except to quit sending Israel the money and weapons that they're using to commit the genocide.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There are other things the US can do. Implement a no-fly zone on Israel, give federal backing to the BDS movement, enforce an ICC arrest warrant on Netanyahu, require Israelis with US citizenship to come back to the US or forfeit that citizenship, etc.

Obviously KKKamala HariSS won't do any of those things, but the US hypothetically could continue to sell arms to Israel while destroying their ability to wage war.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 months ago

Honestly the easiest one is to let the UN actually do something or let everyone know they won't retaliate against anyone that tries to stop the genocide.

Of course that is too much for this and the Harris administration (or trump) to even consider...

Good thing we have blinken to definitely do something to help negotiate

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

I don't think that the US can do anything to stop the genocide except to quit sending Israel the money and weapons that they're using to commit the genocide.

This is correct, and is why Harris is promising to continue genocide.

[-] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

Or maybe because it's a useless poll. It's so niche a group that it won't play any significant role in the election. This doesn't look like a post saying Harris is in trouble. It looks like a post saying Stein has a chance. Which they don't. So it's getting down voted because it contributes nothing of value.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

It's enough to sway Michigan and Pennsylvania. It highlights that Dems have decided to sacrifice those swing states and continue to run on far-right foreign policy.

[-] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Can you describe the difference between far-right and moderate-right foreign policy in this context? Given that she has made almost zero statements on foreign policy I'm guessing this is about Palestine and Israel?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

Considering this post is about muslim voters, why would it be about anything else? Muslims are fleeing the DNC in favor of the Greens, because the DNC promises more genocide and the Greens promise a cessation of genocide.

If you mean to declare that genocide is merely moderate-right, you're beginning to show that truthfully liberalism and fascism have a symbiotic relationship, but nonetheless it is Harris support for genocide that is the issue at hand. Thus, Harris stands to lose Michigan and Pennsylvania, 2 swing states with large muslim populations, yet another failure on the pile for the dems.

[-] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Let's get something out of the way. I'm not a liberal. So please stop arguing with the person you want me to be and try having a conversation with me.

If you assume that this poll is representative of the whole election then you are letting your bosses get in the way of reality. Right now it's a statistical tie but with Harris ahead by 2 points. And on the electorial side Harris leads by 7 and is probably taking Michigan. But neither party is near 270 yet. So you might want to be less absolutist in your predictions.

The pole here states that this poll is an improvement for Harris from the last one they did. So if the trend continues your prediction is wrong.

Any time I see "far left" or "far right" I have to ask qualifying questions to figure out if they are the kind of person that always adds far to it no matter what the situation is.

If the left and the right politicians both agree on something then it tautologically can't be far anything. Maybe the Overton window moved but it's still the centrist position.

Dems have been doing pretty good for themselves lately. They've dominated every election since Dobbs.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 months ago

Or is this why aoc started attacking stein?

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Several weeks ago, AOC did a huge post about how Biden can't be replaced because of back-room stuff that we don't know about, and besides, the Republicans would sue and it would be a huge disaster, etc. Of course, she fell in line once Biden actually did get replaced. It's hard to take her seriously with stuff like that.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm not at all surprised that Stein is more popular than Harris, but...DAMN, what did Cornel West do?!

The article says that previously Muslims supported Trump at 5% and Cornel West at 25%. Now they support Trump at 11% and West at 4%!

How does Donald Trump have almost 3 times the support?

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 months ago

He started saying rfk had good ideas

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